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Did you tell me that the dems would rather support a genocide than nominate a winning candidate? Cause I agree.
Or do you mean like how trump was supposed to be worse for palestinians than kamalacaust, but then dude got a ceasefire before even taking office? Because I never would’ve predicted that.
dude got a ceasefire before even taking office
Lol Trump was not responsible for the ceasefire. Read the news
Simultaneously ‘Trump did not get the ceasefire’ and also ‘Netanyahu intentionally waited until after Trump won to agree to a ceasefire’
How are those contradictions? Netanyahu openly favored a trump win and agreeing to a ceasefire before the election would have favored Biden. Trump isn’t even in office, Biden has been pushing for a ceasefire for months.
Trump was 100% responsible for the ceasefire according to the news.
You’re telling me your guy could have done a ceasefire a year ago and he didn’t?
Jesus I hope he’s thrown in jail. What an evil person
your guy
Biden is not my guy, I hate the dude
If they read the news, they wouldn’t post the stupid stuff they post.
🤔
The orange dude DIDN’T get a cease fire. Hamas and the Palestinians realized that what Biden had to offer is better than the extinction that Trump will support.
That’s so wrong. The palestinians were ready to accept a ceasefire MONTHs ago.
Hamas accepted that deal in June. Netanyahu refused it. Trump made Netanyahu accept it
You are consuming extreme Democrat propaganda if you think Hamas blocked the deal.
You do know that Trump did the exact opposite, right? He deliberately (and illegally, mind you) pressured Netanyahu not to accept any ceasefire deal until after the election, sacrificing thousands of innocent civilians to make sure he could campaign on the issue.
You do know Biden kept sending bombs to Israel which is the only reason the genocide was going on right?
To be fair, they would have gotten the bombs elsewhere. There’s no stopping a genocide when the international arms trade exists. Even if they had to buy US arms, another grey market partner would have filled the void…
Wow, that would be a really big controversy in a normal world.
Then it was incitement to commit genocide, which is a capital offense. You guys should have arrested him, you had a responsibility to the world.
It’s one thing knowing it’s going to happen, it’s going to be something else entirely when it does.
It’s like knowing you’re going to die. We all “know” our day is coming, but we don’t really appreciate that until we get old or someone close to us passes away.
If you want to lose in 2028, just stick with that smug nonsense, even though you know it doesn’t work to win people to your side. Dems have spent the last three elections driving away votes they need if they want to win, and eventually you’re going to have to learn to engage with people in a reasonable way if that’s what you want.
It isn’t rank-and-file Democrats. At least, not directly. It’s their shitty candidates. And they might’ve actually gotten Sanders nominated, if the DNC hadn’t forced Harris on us.
There was no way that Harris was going to win. It didn’t matter how nice or persuasive her supporters were. People could clearly see that she was an empty suit.
And they might’ve actually gotten Sanders nominated, if the DNC hadn’t forced Harris on us.
You mean Hillary, different H.
OH wait unless you meant the second time when they decided to run Biden again and then when that clearly was a bad idea they shoved Harris in?
Yes, I’m talking about 2024.
Sorry, gets confusing after so many.
There is nothing smug about this. This post isn’t about winning people to “our” side. It’s about a dark acceptance of the downfall of society. One that anyone who’s been paying attention has seen coming for a long time. We vote, we gripe online. It does nothing. Because it’s designed to do nothing. We recognize it yet, it’s all we can do. We either hold hands or we fight. Either way we burn together.
It’s 100% smug.
If the problems that began under Biden continue under Trump, and your message isn’t 100% “Come back to the Democrats. This is how we’re going to make it better,” along with a solid plan to actually do it, you will lose again. The words “I told you so,” shouldn’t even be in your vocabulary anymore after the last three elections.
Yeahhhh grab em by the p, alt Reich!!!
I’m not alt-right.
I’m not even a Trump supporter.
I can, however, look at the last three elections and watch the results of you and yours making it very clear you don’t want people’s votes. Making people despise you isn’t working.
Found the “secret” conservative. Peddle your dumb rhetoric elsewhere, convervatives have been more hateful and despiseable for decades. Reasonable people are fed up with fascists trying to lie, cheat, and bully their way into everything, we’re totally allowed to be angry and it’s valid to express that. When Biden won, you assholes were so mad, the internet blew up with dumb right wing memes, “He StOlE ThE ElEcTiOn!!! So UnFaIr!!!” Fuck off.
Respectfully, you’re wrong.
I’m a Green. I don’t support Trump. I don’t support Biden, and I don’t pretend that I’m not a conservative (when conservative outcomes are what the person I voted for produces) just because my team wears a blue jersey as you do.
The new game from antagonists on Lemmy that get their kink off fighting is calling people secret conservatives. I really just try to avoid talking to them, it’s usually just to get a fight they can wank off to later.
Sure, piggie. Did the dumb joke on the Internet hurt your piggie feelings? 😭
If you don’t like what I have to say, please just hit the block button and move on.
I can’t imagine the cognitive dissonance these fascists are going to deal with.
In spite of themselves. Despair is a useless emotion.
You already can. Just look at how liberals are literally going insane, having delusions and hallucinations because they fundamentally cannot comprehend the inherent contradictions of their own existence.
Huh, a rare Lemmy conservative. Take a photo, kids.
Just look at how far-leftists are boosting Russia and ignoring their massive psyops operations, one of which Trump is.
Russia is an american operation, not the opposite. Remember the 90ies when they got coup’ed and starved for ten years?
Everything bad is Russia’s fault
-Average American
Unfortunately for the majority of them it won’t be a problem. He’ll perform exactly as desired “owning the libtards” and getting rid of “the immigrants”. I wish I had a more optimistic outlook on the next 4yr but frankly we already know how it will go from his last term. At least to an extent.
The “Don’t blame us we didn’t vote for him” crowd immediately turned around and a day later switched to “It doesn’t matter if you voted for him, he’s still your president” and didn’t miss a step. They are fuckin mental contortionists.
What?
Like I’m actually confused, what?
I’m not exactly sure either but the “not my president” thing seems to be primarily but not exclusively used by conservatives when they’re not in power.
But lack of progressive messaging, the genocide, and doubling down on neo liberal policies actively suppressed the vote. I blame the people who stayed home, but the blame for them doing so is exclusively on Joe Biden who will be remembered as the president who enabled Trump the second term and everything that that enables.
Probably the end of democracy in the US and likely a form of techno-monarchy and neo-feudalism.
Time to study the French Revolution comrades!
If you know it all, why don’t you know how to win an election?
Because you can’t fix stupid.
Sometimes you just have to punch yourself in the face, just to see if it hurts. Then do it again.
Don’t you realize what a tremendous self-own that is?
“We’re so dumb, we can’t even get stupid people to vote for us!”
Here’s an idea. How about asking the people what they need, and then making that your platform. Have you thought of that?
Feel free to do that then. I wish you the best of luck.
The problem is, the stupid people are angry, but barely know what they are angry about, so they will latch on to the first person that feeds their anger. Of course, feeding the anger will make things worse, but that doesn’t matter, since it feels good now. Now you have a double problem of the original issue still existing, and half the population asking you to make it worse, and getting mad at you when you don’t.
Basically, America is fucked, and I’m just hoping they can keep it limping along long enough for me to die of old age before it completely collapses.
They can’t win when they aren’t even allowed to pick the candidate. The DNC already plays with a stacked deck, but they still thought that the risk of a Sanders nomination was too likely. That’s why they forced Biden/Harris on us.
Brexit is still delivering all the "I told you so"s. It’s less fun than it sounds.
I don’t think it’s exactly going to be fun, I just know the only pleasure that’s left is schadenfreude.
México too, we go with «Disfruten lo votado», bitches get mad about it
What does it mean and whats the context? Actually curious as an ignorant non spanish speaking EU person.
In English, it’s more or less telling people to “enjoy what you (all) voted for”.
ah yes, the illusion of my vote mattering in my state, topped with an icing of illusion of the candidates undemocratically selected by my party representing my views in any way whatsoever. But I’m told it was on me to get off my couch and go vote for one genocider or one that was very likely a genocider, but also a complete fascist nutter. Both choices have broken laws that should have put them behind bars for the rest of their lives.
Really, this is all my fault. Why am I so terrible?
I hope you understand I was only translating the phrase. I agree with the sentiment toward the MAGOOs, but everyone else is a victim of their idiocy.
Edit: I meant to write MAGAs but MAGOOs at least makes me laugh.
I kinda like magoo vs maga. It feels a little like something someone’s old-world Italian uncle would have called a person in anger and disdain.
very likely a genocider
There are a lot of things to be said about Trump, but we’ve actually had positive headlines regarding genocide heading into his presidency, and it’s no coincidence that the ceasefire in Gaza will go into effect when he takes office. Genocide Joe is just going to stack corpses until they wheel him out of the White House.
I’d like to argue with that, but you are factually correct.
it’s no coincidence that the ceasefire in Gaza will go into effect when he takes office.
It’s no coincidence like it’s no coincidence that paying extortion money avoids broken kneecaps.
Its well documented that Netanyahu and Trump are buddy buddy. I guarantee you the timing was to some degree chosen explicitly to benefit Trump. Netanyahu is doing the kinds of things over there that Trump is just itching to do here. (or in Canada or in Mexico)
If Trump gets any credit here it’s for being every bit as moustache-twirling-evil as Netanyahu such that their worldview and interests will tend to align.
Still pretty fun not being in the UK. Though I do feel bad for everyone not having voted for this shit.
Yeah, people keep saying “This time they’ll see!” But, aside from the occasional “leopards ate my face” moment, the same people keep lining up for more of the same.
And much of the consequences are sloughed off on the people who are fighting hardest against it.
They’re fucking around, and we end up finding out.
Oh, don’t worry, on a long enough timeline, everyone ends up finding out. It’s just that if they were capable of figuring it out, this all would have been avoided in the first place.
I was in the US for the first trump election and in Britain for Brexit. And now I’m back in the US for this shitshow. It’s like I can’t escape the crazy – it’s following me.
Or maybe it’s all my fault and I’m a bad talisman. I dunno, just please make it stop.
Yeah there seems to be this palpable expectation on Lemmy that any day now half of the voting public is going to have some realisation and say “oh my god what have we done”.
It doesn’t work like that though.
Most of the actual retarded things Trump said he would do like the tariffs et cetera will be done in performative way. Done in a way that isn’t too disruptive or harmful but still lets him say he stuck it to China.
The more insidious project 2025 stuff isn’t applied in real time. How does the media report on the slow corrosion of quality of life and rights to privacy et cetera.
Another one of Russia’s massive intellegence successes of late.
“Could it be the English are morons? No! It’s the Russian to blame!”
I mean it’s obviously both.
Ehh…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum
I dunno, there is a fair bit of coincidence there, far more so than anything save the extreme end of a probability curve would suggest.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, they’d have to be completely incompetent not to at least try and put a finger on the scales - and I’d be fucking shocked if they were the only ones - but at the end of the day, it wasn’t Ivan voting, it was Barry. Pretending it wasn’t is just setting yourself up for disappointment the next time Barry goes voting.
It’s been nearly 10 years and we’re still getting fucked by it.
God damn has it been that long?
Well it depends on if you count from when we voted for it or when we actually did it.
Starting with a ceasefire on his inauguration day…
….that Biden proposed and negotiated. Also he hasn’t been inaugurated yet lol.
No, Trump is just so awesome, that his powers go into effect before he’s even inaugurated! Are you ready to start winning?!
Are MAGAs aware enough to know
MuskTrump isn’t president yet?It’s a superposition. He’s president when the President does something largely accepted as “good” while also not being President when the President does something largely accepted as “bad”.
This transcends all known perceptions of cause/effect to ensure their sand-based castle continues to stand. That’s what they mean by 4D Chess.
No, it’s not going to be “I told you so.”
Conservatives will still blame Biden and dems for all the problems.
It’s the deeeeeep state!
We told you the government doesn’t work! Just look how the government we elected doesn’t work.
That’s Conservative Playbook 101. Take something working well, intentionally break it, complain that it’s broken and needs to be privatized, rinse and repeat.
What is the US Postal Service?
It’s the government office that handles mail delivery, but that’s not important right now.
Right, there’s no satisfaction in pointing out the results of a conservative power grab. Their narcissism makes them immune to introspection or self-awareness.
Yup, they still deflect to Hillary’s emails and shit when you call out new cabinet positions. If we could harness their mental gymnastics into physical energy we’d solve the climate crisis.
Over Christmas my mom showed me her new “Lock Her Up!” shirt. It’s been almost 10 years since Clinton has been relevant, move on.
Also, there’s a lot of people that will say, “don’t be mean to them, that never changes their mind!” “talk to them, be empathetic”
Man, anyone suffering after voting for Trump deserves a big “fuck you”.
Yeah, I will never forgive a 2024 Trump voter. They know who they voted for, they know who he is. No excuses this time. Trump voters claiming ignorance this time will not be accepted.
Don’t forget the “I wish dems did better!”. You and me. Both but… Buckle up.
Who cares about conservatives? we talkin about who didnt vote or those “swing voters”
Not if historic patterns repeat.
Clinton, Dubya, Obama, and Trump all went into office with control of Congress and lost it at the mid-terms, so it’s not unlikely that a portion of voters will flip in 2026.
They’ll be back in 2028 though, when the Dems nominate Gavin Newsom and try replay this ‘joy and unity’ bullshit again.
Climate change wasn’t real enough for half the country, so now everyone has to suffer.
Four years? In ten years from now, the elections of 2024 will be called the ‘Last Elections’ and President Musk will arrest people who will call for their return.
I’m expecting a total collapse before that happens.
One can only hope. Death to the genocidal empire
lovely, now Lemmy has accelerationists.
I’m not an accelerationist, I’m just not a citizen of the US and the faster the empire dies, the better for the rest of the world.
cool. you’re just poorly educated. Trump loves you.
not sure of the logic that got you to “US democracy dies == good for the world” but you do you.
you’re just poorly educated. Trump loves you
Why would I care what Trump loves? Again, not USian.
US hegemony dies = good for the world. The US is the most evil country om Earth. Supporting genocide, invading Iraq and Afghanistan and Korea and Vietnam and Nicaragua and Guatemala and an endless list of countries, engaging in imperialism and unequal exchange, literally born out of genocide and slavery. Can’t wait to see the US crash and burn tbh
US hegemony dies = good for the world. The US is the most evil country om Earth. Supporting genocide, invading Iraq and Afghanistan and Korea and Vietnam and Nicaragua and Guatemala and an endless list of countries, engaging in imperialism and unequal exchange, literally born out of genocide and slavery. Can’t wait to see the US crash and burn tbh
cool. I won’t dispute anything you said because I’m not trying to convince you, just educate.
so you know what happens when empires fall right? power vacuums! who do you think will try to become the worlds new power?
enjoy the endless wars and skirmishes as borders change and entire countries disappear overnight because the “evil hegemony, America” is gone! maybe not endless…but at least within some of our (albeit now shorter) lifetimes!
YAY! You win!
hope you aren’t draftable, or near a warzone, or…you know what you’ll find out.
What is this picture?
Looks like it’s from the set of Game of Thrones.
$20 eggs is merely part of the 29D chess move that will eventually make eggs free!
Just keep waiting.
“Guys, guys, eventually the price will go down. We just need to consolidate the producers to one, then they will definitely lower it to a reasonable price.” - Smug Asshole
Once one billionaire owns literally everything he will finally have sufficient power to lower the price of eggs.
Bold of you to think it will end in 4 years.
2016: “it’s no like roe is going away! People are over reacting!” 2024: “…”
I’m saying. Like are we even going to have an election in 4 years? The dude violates every Norm, every tradition.
The small part of my brain that is conspiratorial be like, he’s not moving the inauguration inside because of the weather or any threat, it’s for the optics, It’s for watering down the ceremony of the transfer of power, because he doesn’t intend to have another one.
Poor Norm.
The authoritarian right will keep pushing until people push back harder.
“You fuckers asked for this so either shut up or move”
Going to be the only thing keeping me going
I’m buying a bunch of “I did that!” Trump stickers to slap on empty grocery shelves. That’s gonna be fun.
Yep those things need to be EVERYWHERE after they had those dumbass Biden ones, and the best part is that this time they’ll actually be correct
