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CGP Grey’s Rules for Rulers spells out power structures in authoritarian and democratic countries really well.
If you vote, you are saying “I can support you, or I can support the other guy, but I will support someone” whereas not voting tells politicians you are politically useless, so they won’t pay any attention to your needs.
It’s a cynical way of looking at it, but if the no. 1 imperative for a politician is reelection, spending time doing things that will get you more votes is better than wasting time pleasing people who probably won’t vote anyway.
Spoil your ballot. Sends the message that they’re all wankers and you get to draw a cock on the paper!
I don’t think they count the cocks on the ballots either
“That’s Republican, we count those!”
-Jack Donaghy, 30 Rock
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A vote for the dick is a vote for trmp
You mean “give Trump less competition”. Trump voters will not be spoiling their ballots.
I live in LA and there is an electoral system that hands this city to the Democrats in single party rule, even if they believe in Republican policies. I watched the person who got the most votes for president lose twice in my life since I’ve been voting age.
Got it, should riot instead.
You should.
You won’t though.
A riot on your own is just a tantrum. There’s no point of you’re not organised.
Well that’s the left fucked then.
I’m convinced that the CIA is somehow causing the American left to be unable to organize, because with organization comes power, and the left having power would mean a shift away from corporate rule.
Like by infiltrating, arresting, and executing them? It’s the FBI. You know about COINTELPRO, right? There are tons of FBI documents talking about how they did exactly that. Or like… The drug war?
This shit is recent and still going on. I have a friend who’s an organizer. The FBI comes and knocks on his door every April just to tell him they’re watching him. This happens to every visible organizer in the Seattle area. I mean, fucking Durkan and Robert Child’s.
The US apparatus of state violence primarily targets the left. We live under a continuous counterinsurgency program and it’s mostly targeted and keeping the left from organizing. Go read Life During Wartime and watch Trouble episode 6.
There’s huge and well documented paper trail. The CIA prevents democracy aborad, the FBI prevents it at home.
Who’s the one that tried to get MLK Jr. to off himself due to him getting a bit too socialist? FBI? Whoever it was was probably also involved in his shooting.
That would be the FBI.
The CIA killed socialist politician in my country.
And I’m not some banana south-american dictature, I’m in western europe.
Closest they seemed to get was the Black Panthers. So it was the FBI rather than the CIA that busted that in.
Instructions unclear. Do I fill in “Fuck You” as a candidate write-in?
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Yeah remember 2016 when Hillary won?
They throw their temper tantrums, shit all over everything and then disappear after the election
Sounds like everyone we have ever voted in
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Ah yes, Joe Biden committing Genocide, the right-wing talking point.
It is a right-wing talking point. It’s meant to sow division among Biden voters so that it becomes more likely Trump will win.
It’s chess not checkers.
The Democrats are starting to change their stance on the Genocide solely because they are seeing that voters are starting to walk away.
You are the person enabling the Genocide in Gaza with your rhetoric that Democrats can continue it and not lose voters.
Right? I love how mad centrists democrats get at the fact that leftists have a standard for whether they will vote for someone or not. It makes it pretty clear to me this is precisely what leftists should be doing because that anger tells me that centrists are having to actually listen to leftists instead of spitting in their face constantly and assuming leftists will fall in line without having their input taken into account.
Of course these arguments are always framed as “YOU are the reason we are going to lose” which ignores EVERY SINGLE step along the way the got us to this point of centrists democrats machine gunning themselves in the foot and aggressively ignoring what voters actually want. All of those steps and all of that responsibility is somehow invisible and all of the fault is directed at the voter…for having standards?
Vote undecided in the primaries and in the general well… I am not gonna tell you to vote for genocide Joe even though I don’t disagree for a nano-second Trump is worse. That is a decision everyone has to make for themselves.
I think I will vote for Biden but honestly I just don’t have it in me to try to convince anyone else to vote for someone who is so clearly using their position to aid and facilitate genocide. I do think it is best to think of voting as damage control not the primary strategy and thus there are many very good arguments to vote for Biden, but at the end of the day it is also true that centrist democrats just will not fucking listen unless they are panicking about losing to fascists it seems.
I’m just waiting for all those Michigan voters threatening Biden right now to go through with it.
I’m not American, I’d be really curious to see the shocked Pikachu faces when those people are rounded up and deported by the fascist dictator they’d be tacitly supporting.
Trump won’t deport them.
If people keep voting Biden then Fascism will grow in popularity. And the next more extreme Fascist republican that wins actually will.
If Biden wins again, that would put pressure on Republicans to reevaluate how they’ve been operating.
That might mean doubling down, but it could also mean changing by shedding their most extreme views and candidates, and moving back towards the middle, or just eventually imploding and having another party take its place.
If Biden wins again like this we’re going to slide further to the right and the Republicans are going to get even more extreme.
Trump is not the final form of Fascism.
If Trump wins we slide even further than if Biden wins…
No it means that Democrats will need to be actually progressive in 2028 to win back votes.
Unless you buy into the same 2016 fearmongering that Trump is going to end democracy (again)
Cool, good to hear compassion for all those who will suffer in the 4 years until 2028
Good to hear your current compassion for Palestinians being Genocided with weapons supplied by Joe Biden.
Can you name a time when a party significantly shifted their platform after a loss?
Seems like “double down” is the only option they choose, at least in my lifetime.
We should vote against our interest because if we don’t, something worse will come along.
You should vote for your own interest to make a point of where your priorities lie so the Dems will start to compromise for them.
The Democrats are supposed to be a compromise vote not a fucking Hostage situation.
I agree with you - it would be great if we could vote on policy and not individuals. (I say that, but I also acknowledge that in the past, majority rule at times had been detrimental to minority rights. But I digress.)
Since the reality is that we vote for representatives, and in the case of the presidential election, should we not vote for the candidate that is most closely aligned with our own interests? I think we also largely agree on that.
The critical point that we may disagree on is this. I posit that: If we ignore the reality of how our political system works, we ultimately end up losing our leverage to even make a point. You talk about making the Dems compromise, but if the Reps get into power, they sure aren’t going to compromise, but rather, actively work against our interests.
That is not happening if people keep voting Democrat while the Democrats refuse to compromise on anything.
Let them work for the vote for once.
I’m trying hard to find common ground here, but it seems like you haven’t read my response at all.
Can you define the word anything? From my point of view, the Dems have compromised and shifted left on such things as legalization of same sex marriage, decriminalizing border crossings, higher taxes on the wealthy, access to cheaper/free higher education, reparations, trans rights, etc. Many of these were really not talked about in the 90s/00s or were actively disparaged back then.
In contrast, I’ve seen the overturn of RvW due directly from a Trump presidency, continual climate change denial, tax breaks for the wealthy, environmental protections abolished, etc. from the R side.
Therefore, I’m not exactly sure what you mean by making them work for the vote for once. Let’s say we didn’t vote D two decades ago, it would not have pushed into action many of the policies and rights that we enjoy right now. It seems more like, if we vote against the Dems, my interests will never come to fruition. Do you disagree? If so, why?
Obama purposely did not encode Roe v Wade to use it as a carrot to force voters to keep voting Democrat.
Abortion rights are being lost is because the Democrats refused to be progressive and compromised with the Republicans on everything.
Biden voted against Gay marriage, trans rights and other issues for a loooong time until it started costing votes. When they started needing votes they started adopting those policies.
Even now Biden is not fighting for abortion rights. He is fighting for weapons to israel.
Genocide is a breaking point. A red line.
There is no compromise for Genocide. The Genocide stops or the Biden stops. Light that fire under Bidens ass so he makes that choice. No more fence sitting.
And that’s better for Biden too. The sooner Biden uses his power to stop the Genocide, the sooner he will get votes again.
All this bad Democrat publicity will disappear very fast if Biden fixes the issue. Ignoring it is not an option. We need to pretending it is.
Have you thought about doing something else in your interest than just voting to legitimize your silly little empire?
I’m just waiting for all those Michigan voters threatening Biden right now to go through with it.
I would be very worried that, in the state of Michigan, Trump racked up 750k votes while Biden was only able to drag in 620k. When you consider the 100k votes for “Uncommitted” and the 40k votes for Biden-alternatives, that’s not looking great.
It looks even worse when you consider the 2020 results - 840k Biden to 577k Bernie. Joe looks like he’s hemorrhaging support in that state. Palestine very well may cost him the state and potentially the Presidency.
Compare that to Trump’s 110k gain from 2020. Dude’s picking up speed while Democrats just kinda fuck around, waiting to find out.
I’d be really curious to see the shocked Pikachu faces when those people are rounded up
Governor Whitmer has been far more savvy in her outreach to the state’s Muslim community. I doubt she’d roll over to a Trump DHS trying to deport a big chunk of her constituents.
But if you’re a Muslim down in Texas or out in Florida or Arizona, I would be feeling incredibly anxious.
Ah yes I guess they would have deserved it.
Liberal and victim blaming, name a more iconic duo. People who vote for fascism are responsible for fascism. Quit blackmailing people.
Also feeling “curious” at the idea of people getting shot is pretty psychopathic
Well ya, after years of warnings if y’all allow Trump back into office… you deserve what you collectively get.
You can call me psychopathic, I’m fine with that. Myself along with the rest of the world will be watching America with baited breath in case it follows that loser airman and lights itself on fire because it fell for the bullshit.
Come on buddy nobody deserve fascism. I know its tempting to get into this revengeful mindset but you cannot blame people not to vote for liberals either. Fascists are responsible for electing fascists, nobody else. And one might even question the free-will of the voter when there is so much propaganda around.
No, you’re actually a completely wrong here. If a fascist gets into office, it’s because of the failure of the society in general that allowed it to happen .
If you don’t want a fascist to be the one running your country, then elect someone who is in a fascist if you’re going to come back with well, the laws are this and the gerrymanders are that… Well guess what You’re in the midst of failing to prevent it from happening. So grab those damn bootstraps and do something about it.
I’m a couple of miles further away from a fascist taking off where I live, so I’m watching with fascination as you all clearly want to elect someone that hates you and will destroy the lives of many Americans. You’re welcome to do it and when the whole world blames Americans for the choice that America made, you don’t get to say that’s not my fault.
Whatever, dear, do what you think is right. Have a good evening
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I’m fairly convinced that Lemmy has been compromised with an inordinate amount of Russian propaganda relay bots.
If you’re really that convinced that everyone who doesnt like genocide joe is a russian bot, then you’re far too immature to be using any website other than reddit.
You call them immature in the same sentence as literally name calling like a school bully.
I mean if the man supports genocide it’s fair to call him that.
Liberals are fine with warcrime when their side is doing it. Meanwhile, under their Biden, American soldiers are setting themselves afire.
If they get trump they will have nobody to blame but themselves.
Yup. Anyone who thinks differently than you do is a bot and/or explicitly supportive if Russia.
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Lemmy’s so small I have my doubts it’s that widespread. We have a good amount of extreme left true believers here.
I mean, why wouldn’t it be? There is nothing stopping bad faith actors from participating. The only reason they wouldn’t is if there was little value in doing so.
What about the people like me who are just tired of liberal astroturfing? One can hate putin and that lesser-evil bullcrap you know
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If all else fails, blame Russia lol
Because real, reasonable people can’t disagree with this? Many people would say that this doesn’t go far enough as it doesn’t condemn third party voters for just “throwing their vote away.”
Imagine thinking that the only people who hold a position you don’t like are Russian bots and not real people who actually believe shit.
Yeah, anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a Russian bot.
Gonna be like this every election year from here on out.
As a dual citizen with Australia:
Vote, vote, vote. You are disrespecting all hard-fought wons by marginalized groups throughout 200+ years of history.
Literally, the first voters in the country were land owning white men.
People died. So you could have a say.
You are disrespecting the dead, and denying you civic duty, and your obligation in the social contract, by not voting.
People should be disgraced and shunned for not voting. I do not care what your political beliefs are, even if they are odious or fickle or contrarian or uninformed to me.
Show up and cast your ballot you otherwise absolute disrespectful coward.
So – and I want to be clear about this – to honour and respect those who fought and died for my right to vote, I should show up and put a cross next to the name of someone I think is a homophobic, transphobic, bigoted piece of shit just because she is less of a homophobic, transphobic bigoted piece of shit than the other person I could put a cross next to the name of?
To me that doesn’t suggest I am showing any honour or respect to anyone. It just says that I am giving up every bit of my dignity, integrity and shame and that when I stand before my ancestors in the Halls of Judgement they will look at me and shake their heads in disgust.
I should show up and put a cross next to the name of someone I think is a homophobic, transphobic, bigoted piece of shit just because she is less of a homophobic, transphobic bigoted piece of shit than the other person I could put a cross next to the name of?
Yes. Either voice your opinion for who is less bad, or have no voice. The game is rigged, but it’s the only game in town.
Either voice your opinion for who is less bad, or have no voice.
That’s not how living in reality works. Tell that to the rioters of the stonewall inn. That was the most meaningful change to the fight for LGBTQ+ rights. They used their voices for multiple nights and it mobilized the community like never before. No thanks to the “repspectables” Also what do you tell the disenfranchised, the people that have been robbed of their opportunity to vote? You are essentially telling them that they are voiceless which isn’t true in the slightest. They are just living under a repressive government that people have voted for time and time again thinking they are doing something good. Yet what this allows people to do is say they don’t need to participate in direct action and they create “officials” that maintain narratives that further disenfranchise more people. And democrats do this too, not just republicans.
That’s not how living in reality works
Funny choice of words, because in reality, it’s a zero sum game and you either vote for the person closest to your views or risk getting the person you disagree with more. That is the reality of the situation.
They used their voices for multiple nights and it mobilized the community like never before
Yes, direct action is very cool and very hip, and I encourage it, but we’re talking about voting.
You are essentially telling them that they are voiceless
No, I am telling people that abstain from voting that they are voiceless, because they are choosing to not use it because of ~dignity~ and ~integrity~
Yet what this allows people to do is say they don’t need to participate in direct action and they create “officials” that maintain narratives that further disenfranchise more people. And democrats do this too, not just republicans.
Nobody said anything like that, you are injecting that narrative out of nowhere. Nobody said voting for Biden is the only political thing you have to do this year. Go advocate and go protest, I encourage you, but also vote.
Yes, direct action is very cool and very hip, and I encourage it, but we’re talking about voting.
not voting and voicing why you are not voting has so far created more discourse around the failures of the democratic party than saying “vote blue, no matter who”. so to me this seems much more direct than just quietly voting.
dems thought they may have it in the bag with biden but they don’t. the biden admin has the lowest approval rating of any administration. enabling a genocide and aligning with the country perpetrating it for most of your political career will do that to your approval rating.
all they have to do is say permanent ceasefire and they get all those votes back. its not a hard concept. maybe instead of threatening voters with what will happen if they lose, they should do the thing that is preventing them from winning
not voting and voicing why you are not voting has so far created more discourse around the failures of the democratic party than saying “vote blue, no matter who”. so to me this seems much more direct than just quietly voting.
Sure, but is creating discourse the goal? Is the discourse even helping?
all they have to do is say permanent ceasefire and they get all those votes back. its not a hard concept. maybe instead of threatening voters with what will happen if they lose, they should do the thing that is preventing them from winning
Agree
Sure, but is creating discourse the goal?
I can’t speak for everyone but for me, yes
Is the discourse even helping?
Depends on a lot of things. I know I’m not the only one that feels this way. Ik there are aggressive democrat voters trying to shame and bully people into compromising themselves in an already compromising situation. They are told that what they think doesn’t matter and they “don’t have a voice” unless they vote. They don’t have a voice because y’all wont listen. We have voted, for what… to feel dirty and used by people you will never meet? I hope my replies and posts reach the eyes of those so they know that they aren’t voiceless and that this is an effective means of protest. Its obviously working by how much time and energy has been spent to try and convince us we are wrong. This is how democrats disenfranchise leftists. By saying this kind of protest and that kind of protest is ineffective, which is as ive pointed out demonstrably false because they are talking about it. You’re only allowed to protest a certain way even by democrats standards.
One fateful night, Marsha P. Johnson dropped a bag of bricks on a cop car and inspired millions of LGBTQ+ people over multiple generations. A trans woman that lived on the streets and was disenfranchised her whole life and couldn’t vote made real change happen that politicians could only dream of. Even trumps failed insurrection can’t put anything on that series of nights at the Stonewall Inn
There is a time to vote for people based on principle and that is what you are asking me to do by voting for biden. When the next major genocide is literally being conducted with the full support of the United States and the ones overseeing it are up for election and you can literally stop another holocaust like event from happening by telling those in power that they better do something or fuck off and make a lot of noise about it, then you have to take that opportunity.
I can still protest against them.
You seem to be missing my main problem – you are asking me to put a cross against the name of someone who will strip away the basic human rights of groups of people. Which is not something I am willing to do.
Especially if I am doing it in the name of those who fought and died for their rights.
I have some integrity.
If you want to protest against them, go ahead, I have no problem with that.
you are asking me to put a cross against the name of someone who will strip away the basic human rights of groups of people. Which is not something I am willing to do
Okay, but as I said, the reality of the situation is to put your cross on someone you don’t like or risk someone you really don’t like. I understand and empathize that it might feel like moral compromise, but I see it less like “I endorse this person and their principles” and more like harm reduction.
I have some integrity.
Is it integrity? If you are, by inaction, helping someone who will remove those human rights faster, aren’t you putting those high-minded morals above the physical reality of what will happen to those marginalized groups?
If you want to protest against them, go ahead, I have no problem with that.
you are asking me to put a cross against the name of someone who will strip away the basic human rights of groups of people. Which is not something I am willing to do
Okay, but as I said, the reality of the situation is to put your cross on someone you don’t like or risk someone you really don’t like. I understand and empathize that it might feel like moral compromise, but I see it less like “I endorse this person and their principles” and more like harm reduction.
And if they are as bad as each other?
I live in the UK and for the past five years the Labour party has been – from what I can see – turning into the Tory party. It has had no policies that aren’t Tory policies. Starmer is so scared of being seen as Jeremy Corbyn that he has become a Tory MP in waiting. He is so scared of not being elected that he is pandering to the far right. He doesn’t stand up for anyone who needs standing up for.
Voting for him… I really don’t see a difference between him and the Tories.
I have some integrity.
Is it integrity? If you are, by inaction, helping someone who will remove those human rights faster, aren’t you putting those high-minded morals above the physical reality of what will happen to those marginalized groups?
And if I put someone in power who enacts policies to the marginalised groups being erased, beaten, imprisoned or killed? Should I feel better about that?
And if they are as bad as each other?
If they are both truly as bad as each other, then yeah there is no harm reduction.
Should I feel better about that?
Would the other person have done it faster? Again, I don’t see voting as a complete endorsement; if there is an area in which one candidate is less bad than the other, then it is in your best interest to vote for them
Sounds like you think that one: we live in a democracy, and two: that democracy somehow equals more freedom. this is not the case.
Western democracy originated in ancient Greece. This political system granted democratic citizenship to free men, while excluding slaves, foreigners and women from political participation. In virtually all democratic governments throughout ancient and modern history, this was what democracy meant. An elite class of free men made all the decisions for everyone. Before Athens adopted democracy, aristocrats ruled society, so “rule by the people”, or the idea of a government controlled (in theory) by all its (free) male citizens instead of a few wealthy families seemed like a good deal. But really it was just a new iteration of Aristocracy rule rather than the revolution it’s painted as. The rich still rule society by feeding voters carefully constructed propaganda and keeping everyone poor, overworked and desperate to be granted basic needs by the state.
In democracies today, only legal citizens of a country are granted democracy. In a lot of countries, people who have been convicted of a “crime” are denied the right to vote, regardless of how long ago they served their sentence. In the US, this is used to deny voting rights to minority groups, who make up a large proportion of the prison population.
In some societies only a small minority group are allowed to participate in the democracy. In Apartheid South Africa, the minority group (European settlers) granted themselves democracy and excluded the native majority, using democracy to deprive the native population of the rights granted to European settlers. Anarchy, of course, is an absence of government; of rulers. Democracy aims for the individual to be governed, ruled, controlled by others.
America is and always has been an illegitimate apartheid state.
In the US, this is used to deny voting rights to minority groups, who make up a large proportion of the prison population.
Sure sounds like The Powers That Be are trying to prevent marginalized people from voting, we should probably vote against that. I wonder which party is more favorable to enfranchising convicts and making voting easier.
I wonder which party is more favorable to enfranchising convicts
neither the republican or establishment democrats are interested in that
One is definitely more actively opposed
One of the things I’ve found as someone who has moves between countries and continents is how different your exposure to news and issues is. I am not a fan of out of country voters and in this case I doubt they will make a difference, and there are plenty of them, retirees, who will just follow what Fox News tells them because they are the international propaganda arm that appeals to expats that are within a retirement bubble where they do not even have.
But everyone in the US should be campaigning in the streets, putting out bulletins of how corrupt Trump is and how it was an issue before he even ran for president, and how corrupt he has continued to be and influenced by internal interests intent on weakening the US. If there are no ready to print bulletins, make them and post them for others to print and distribute. Specially in the Southern states, show how much of one of those big fancy snake oil salesman from the North he really is and just how much he has been fooling everyone. Tell them not to rely on those who are bought into the Trump diatribes so that lobbyists can get politicians on the tab, because they are really only interested in making products out of them for the next for years. Remind them of how 2020 ended up and what followed, how Trump’s dissing and dismissal of the WHO had consequences, and how it was only after he was removed that actions were taken to avoid getting the US stuck in the same rut China still is.
Recognize their political inclinations and points out how even well-respected representatives like Mitt Romney have been driven out of their party by charlatans, and if they are ok with it, that they should see themselves in the mirror and how they’ve changed since 2012. I know this is tough, but the long lost art of critical thought involves seeing and appealing to things from their perspective even when you might disagree with them yet are far better than an orange authoritarian clown. Don’t campaign for Biden if you are that really disillusioned with him, campaign against Trump and for the Trump alternatives that would have appealed to the voters and would have been candidates but no longer are capable of being because of how much his snake oil has rotted the party.
And I guess people from outside the US as well, since their bubbles will certainly by trying to get them to. Unless you want to vote for Trump, then your vote has already been preregistered so those nasty Dems don’t fake them, so don’t worry about it :)
People died. So you could have a say.
Innocent people also died at the hands of the government that was voted in. Many people have died for amerika’s imperial expansion and due to it. Many have been indentured and still are.
People should be disgraced and shunned for not voting.
What if the state bars you from voting because of past criminal history, regardless of time served? What if you are disabled and cannot make it to the ballot and you live somewhere that has heavily restricted mail in voting? What if you are unhoused and don’t have a physical address? You are calling to have these people shunned? How democratic and fair of you.
your obligation in the social contract
As if the social contract is upheld by the people you vote in. We get lied to so they get the vote and then we don’t even have recourse to sue or hold them accountable. All we can do is “vote them out” but then they tell us if we don’t vote for them, the world will literally end cause the other guy is evil. As if to say democrats are a force for good. lmao
The ability to vote and participate in a democracy is one thing of many that people have fought for, yes, so it should not be taken for granted. Ignoring it is throwing away the power you and everybody else who can vote have to influence how things will be in the future.
Im not ignoring my right to vote. I am using my right to participate or not as a catalyst for dialogue. Also voting someone in doesn’t guarantee they will do what we want them to or even what they say they will do. this has been proven time and time again. at this moment they want something from me, my vote, and I am denying them that until they change. Do you give a child what it wants just because it is whining? no. these politicians are supposed to answer to us, not the other way around.
look at their post history, they do nothing but shill anti-biden, pro-trump, 24/7
For there not being any power in withholding a vote, people sure are upset about people threatening to do it.
It has the power to let the other guy win, and for all of us, especially the most vulnerable among us, to suffer more greatly. Is has the power to relinquish control of our nation to a reactionary authoritarian nationalist movement that won’t give power back willingly.
It does not, however, have the power to make things better.
I think you’ve missed the point.
You are disrespecting the dead
you are disrespecting dead anarchists and communists by saying you need to participate in bourgeois virtue signaling instead of direct action for your fellows
Who said “instead of”?
Yeah, that’s it… lecture and gaslight the people who have seen what you refuse to admit - that’s the way to get them back on your side.
What if they started a way and nobody came? "The problem with not starting a war …’
In France you can vote “blank” which is counted separately to absentees.
France is slowly descending into fascism. Every five years they have the choice between liberals and the far-right, like in the US. Voting liberals is empowering the far-right, since nazis are feeding on poverty brought by liberals.
In Michigan’s primaries you can essentially do that, and people were trying to use it as a political message against Biden but so many people do it as a baseline that the political message is muddled and it’s basically the same problem.
That’s just stupid with extra steps…
Sounds very Irish.
Nope, because of the argument screenshotted by OP. How do you fail so hard at reading?
Honestly sometimes I think every country should have its own Sinn Féin of sorts. Just a party that never takes its seats. Yeah, try calling it the “same thing” when you can’t pass any legislation or form coalitions or get anything done because a third of the seats in the national legislature are literally left empty on purpose. Don’t like it? Well, it’s your problem that your party is literally less electable than No Representation!
Well, good news, US legislature managed to dismantle itself with all the “checks and balances” and
liberum vetofilibuster. Now it’s just a circus to play for the gullible to legitimize this oligarchic empire. It is no representation, one way or another and somebody should openly state it. The best the progressive caucus could do now is to walk out.In the US that would almost literally be voting in Republicans. They want the system to crawl to a halt, and critical functions are legislated to frequently sunset so they can hold the system hostage on a regular basis.
This is very superficial.
Well, it’s a short comment on a social media platform, what do you expect. At least it’s less superficial than “This is very superficial.”
I should’ve gone into detail, but I’m just not in the mood to argue sometimes. I’ll get back to you if I do.
It’s how the system works with First Past the Post voting. It doesn’t support more than 2 viable candidates. We need to reform our election system.
Yeah, try calling it the “same thing” when you can’t pass any legislation or form coalitions
Isn’t that the Republican strategy?
That’s the Republican strategy when they’re in the minority and the legislation in question is stuff that actually helps people. Real POSIWID hours
That’s a pretty brilliant strategy probably. I’ll run as an empty seat guy.
When your choices in an election are between “boring corporatists” and “100% concentrated evil” you don’t have the luxury of sitting this election out with your adorable little “protest vote.”
If authoritarians win the next election, you won’t have to worry about voting ever again.
