Went and looked at the documents that show up, both are on “russian hacking”. 100% honey pot if I’ve ever seen one.
What’s the over-under on this being a honeypot?
My bets are on
“cloud infrastructure is bad for highly secret information” rather than “public web honeypot with zero obfuscation”Edit: likely fake. The sensationalist in me would love it if this was real because it would confirm my “cloud storage bad” biases, but alas, the document markings dont appear to be consistent with my understanding of official US Government confidentiality/secrecy markingsIf S3, it’s not cloud storage’s fault some dummies enable public access to buckets which is disabled by default.
Youre correct it’s not the provider’s fault, but it’s much harder in my very biased opinion to accidentally expose a secure 100% internal intranet than it is to accidentally put a top secret document in a public data bucket.
But it’s a moot argument in this case anyway. Fake documents means these are likely exposed just to troll folks like us.
Second result for me was a document about Russian hackers and their demands that we enstate trump as president after he lost.
I added more JPEG for OP:
Yeah i saw this before
I work in a HIPAA-covered industry and if our AWS and GCP buckets are insecure that’s on us. Fuck Amazon, but a hammer isn’t responsible for someone throwing it through a window and a cloud storage bucket isn’t responsible for the owner putting secret shit in it and then enabling public access.
What kills me about S3 is that the use cases for publicly accessing S3 contents over HTTP have got to be vanishingly small compared to every other use of the service. I appreciate there’s legacy baggage here but I seriously wonder why Amazon hasn’t retired public S3 and launched a distinct service or control for this that’s harder to screw up.
Wouldn’t say so, loads of people and organisations use it as a pseudo-CDN of sorts AFAIK
Public access is disabled by default and it warns you when you enable it. How much more idiot proof does it need to be?
Yeah I hate Amazon as much as the next person, but this is a people/process problem, not an Amazon problem. Amazon doesn’t know or care what you put into an AWS bucket (within reason, data tracking, etc, blah blah blah). People taking classified documents and uploading it to an Internet-connected cloud service is procedurally wrong on so many levels.
It could be both. In the absence of more data, I’m reserving my judgement.
No, it literally cannot be both, full stop. There should rigorous, well defined procedures and processes for handling classified data, and chiefly among those should be something along the lines of “don’t upload classified documents to a publicly-available internet-connected location/service/filestore/etc”. If it’s not, a security officer has not done their job.
I’m their defense:
Aaand that search query got me some files with the top secret flag. Fortunately, they seem to be internal memos on things that are already known to the public, so nothing too immediately dangerous.
My big question is, why in the ever-loving fuck are these files outside of SIPRNET?
Cloud cloud cloud, cloudy cloud, cloudy cloudy cloud cloud.
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Cloudorporate is confused!
Cloudorporate hurt itself in its confusion!
Contractors and third parties with security clearance. Did you really think any US government agency actually tightened things down properly after Snowden?
Is it illegal to have these or just distribution is illegal? I’m worried about the implications of you downloading but it isn’t like anyone will care.
As for how they got there, perhaps via scan-to-email from the Mar-a-Lago copy- and bathroom.
Obligatory, I am not a lawyer.
If random citizen finds it on the street they can’t be punished for having it. But the government can repossess the document at any time.
The markings tell people with clearance how to handle the documents more than anything else. You have no way of knowing if it’s a legit marking.
This shit has been happening for far far longer than cheeto. It’s bipartisan military organization incompetence, and the exact issue that allowed the Snowden leaks to occur.
“cloud first” is a mantra that not even the FedGov can refuse.
Mostly cuz the largest, data mining, and ad-driven companies in the world told them it was better.
Okay, the question I have, is why any government from a developed country would ever use something like AWS or something that everyone can obtain access to rather than making their own private solutions to these problems?
Amazon has a government cloud offering https://aws.amazon.com/govcloud-us/
Cloud presents several advantages,and GovCloud is a thing.
Like, Amazon has SCIF cloud offerings. These leaks were cuz some dumbass contractor exposed a repo to the internet
Another question could be : which developed country is not yet using the popular AWS already and why ?
For example : https://press.aboutamazon.com/2023/10/amazon-web-services-to-launch-aws-european-sovereign-cloud
Customers, AWS Partners, and regulators welcoming the new AWS European Sovereign Cloud include the German Federal Office for Information Security (BSI), German Federal Ministry of the Interior and Community (BMI), German Federal Ministry for Digital and Transport, Finland Ministry of Finance, National Cyber and Information Security Agency (NÚKIB) in the Czech Republic, National Cyber Security Directorate of Romania, SAP, Dedalus, Deutsche Telekom, O2 Telefónica in Germany, Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG, Raisin, Scalable Capital, de Volksbank, Telia Company, Accenture, AlmavivA, Deloitte, Eviden, Materna, and msg group
I expect the same reasons they’re mostly all using Microsoft Office, Windows, and Active Directory. Because it’s cheaper than doing it yourself.
It’s easier to hire someone who knows aws than to train someone on your custom thing. I don’t really agree, but that’s mostly the reasoning.
Not to mention in house solutions are basically guaranteed to cost more than AWS to get something even close to as comparable. A basic service like Lambda is complex as fuck and has had billions of dollars poured into making it what it is today.
In Portuguese: https://www.serpro.gov.br/menu/noticias/noticias-2023/serpro-lanca-nuvem-de-governo
Brazillian government launched its own cloud service to support the government agencies, everything stored and administer in Brazilian territory, making it independent from private companies and international governments.
🎉 Hooray!
This comment makes it clear you’ve never worked in government IT.
Hell, I’m still in college for an IT degree, so no I haven’t worked in government IT.
Because that’s privatization. Paying a private contractor has the benefit of reducing the immediate cost of services for the state, at the hidden expense of corners so cut that things become circular.
and circular things roll back down hill so easily it’s constantly amazing that anyone’s dumb enough to try it this day and age… buuut then I guess there’s always that child who’s satisfied shoving all shapes through the square hole…
To be fair, it’s probably more about the IT contractors and consulting firms that didn’t implement security policies or configurations correctly on the S3 buckets for the governments they’re working for. The AWS products aren’t opening up things to the public internet without auth. Which I bet most of you knew.
Example: Accenture left a trove of highly sensitive data on public servers (2017)
Amazon is only doing what someone told it to do. This is improper handling of documents and not a problem with Amazon itself.
So many of the results I see are incredibly obvious fakes.
As much as I hate them, this is likey because a customer misconfigured their bucket and not on Amazon.
Yeah, I work for a Federal agency, and I can confirm this is an extremely plausible situation. Was probably a contractor.
Good thing those are always necessary and efficient.
Just like when users get “hacked” a lot of the time it was just their own lack of security practices and not the service provider. Obviously there are exceptions and I hate defending tech giants but end users are often to blame.
There’s no reason for amazonaws.com to be on search engine at all. Which is just as simple as placing a robots.txt with deny all declaration. Then no user would have to worry about shit like this.
Who said that?
Many other customers instead want to get that, maybe they are hosting images for their website on S3, or other public files that are meant to be easily found
If the file isn’t meant to be public, then it’s the fault of the webmaster which placed it on a public bucket or linked somewhere in a public page
Also: hosting files on Amazon S3 is super expensive compared to normal hosting, only public files that are getting lots of downloads should be using that. A document that’s labeled for “internal use only” should reside on a normal server where you don’t need the high speed or high availability of AWS and in this way you can place some kind of web application firewall that restricts access from outside the company/government.
For comparison, it’s like taking a $5 toll road for just a quarter of mile at 2 am. There’s no traffic and you’re not in hurry, you can go local and save that $5
There’s also the question of what happens if they just ignore the robots.txt file
robots.txt doesn’t have to be followed. It doesn’t block crawling.
I have never configure s3 buckets for an enterprise personally, but I have used AWS for some personal projects. The control panel pretty clearly warns you if you try to open the bucket to the public. “This is unsafe. Everyone can see everything you idiot!”
They must be doing it through the CLI.
The best thing about fascism is that it is inept.
Such examples of OpSec competence make it easy to dismiss the majority of government conspiracy theories IMHO.
Legit, if you want to know if a conspiracy is true, just wait 20-50 years and the CIA will declassify the related documents. Most of them are open secrets that happen to be difficult to corroborate as they’re happening. Very few rely on outright secrecy. More just plausible deniability during the period where the public would be up in arms about it.
They dropped this to make themselves look incompetent!
“No! This is not how the game is meant to be played.”
4D chess by the deep state!
Right, because people never make simple mistakes 🙄
People who get paid half a mill to code mess up basic stuf like this by accident all the time
I mean, I agree with you. I’m not claiming “there are no good toupees.” I’m pointing to [the alopecia market] as evidence that [a pill to cure baldness] couldn’t be kept secret by the [shadowy cabal of elites with gorgeous hair] for very long.
lol yes. But it’s not the regular evidence of shoestring infrastructure and lack of process that casts doubt on these grand conspiracies. It’s the diminishing conditional probability, over time, that they are somehow always the exception.
Edit: or if you like, the bad toupees just make it increasingly hard to believe that all men with hair are wearing one
always the exception
Can you explain?
When flipping a coin once, the probability of getting heads once is 50% (1/2). When flipping a coin twice, the probability of getting heads twice is 25% (1/2 x 1/2). When flipping a coin 20 times, the probability of getting heads 20 times is 0.000001% (1/2 x 1/2 x … x 1/2). And so forth…
Concretely, even if we set an arbitrarily high probability of a single illuminati-deep-state-qanon-pizza fuck up being avoided or adequately papered over (i.e. if we assume extremely competent conspirators) we still can’t avoid conditional probability, because doing so repeatedly over time becomes increasingly (exponentially) improbable. The grander the conspiracy, the fewer “coin flips” it takes to reach infinitesimal probability of maintaining the secret, hence the expression “too many minions spoil the plot.”
Cool resource, thanks for the share!
Basically “I can always tell” as an actually fallacy. Neat
Compartmentalisation helps
If no one actually knows the plan other than the guy in charge, no one can leak the plan:
An example of compartmentalization was the Manhattan Project. Personnel at Oak Ridge constructed and operated centrifuges to isolate uranium-235 from naturally occurring uranium, but most did not know exactly what they were doing. Those that knew did not know why they were doing it. Parts of the weapon were separately designed by teams who did not know how the parts interacted.
I go back to the veteran comedian every time.
We can’t even stop our privates from telling their stripper girlfriend about the mission they’re going on the next day, and people think there’s a giant conspiracy out there where nobody talks…
Then there’s the Warrantless Wiretap program under the Bush Administration. Cheney kept the authorization memo in his personal lawyer’s safe. Only 7 people knew it existed. Shit still leaked.
Only 7. That’s perfect. I forget who said “three may keep a secret if two are dead” but of all the mustache twirling pricks in that admin, Cheney should have known.
Edit: it’s Ben Franklin’s joke, apparently. I doubt he’d mind.
