Russains here hate Russians
NGL that was funny af.
Oh boy. This is a tough one.
In one part every citizen is in small part accountable for their government, if nothing else then through inaction. Then again they might be leaving their country, because they or their family member took action. With all this hate will it decrease the chance of somebody taking action?
But what if we look at this from East European perspective? They were under Soviet boot for decades as second rate citizens in their own country. Russians controlling everyting through inserted puppet government. Russians spoke alot about comradeship, but their stance was clear that Russians were higher breed. Do they have more right to hate every Russian?
Hate is nothing new to Russians, they see it everywhere, due to the countries history of agressive foreign policies and spy operations.
This makes me think this is just a propaganda bit. Primarily aimed for domestic use. “Don’t leave Russia, they’ll just hate you.”
This makes me think this is just a propaganda bit.
This seems like the most likely case. Could be official or volunteer because they think it will get them brownie points for a real propaganda job.
When the people do not know what their government is doing they cannot understand why others hate them. Nationality can be a badge of honor and a hood over your eyes.
The Chinese government are enabling and committing horrors of their own. Yet everyone would be crying racism if there was general hatred of Chinese people
Tepid take: there’s probably more racism against Chinese people in America than Russians.
About 20 years ago I read this:
Americans say, “I don’t know why people hate us”, and that is why people hate Americans.
Exactly! See how Americans behave, exactly like this girl.
Oh the good ol whataboutism.
You won’t find many places on the internet where Americans are as critical of America as on Lemmy.
Many of us vote and write Congress too.
There are dozens of us!!!
Never a truer word spoken
“Y’all hade us cuz y’aint us”
No, that would be your terrorist government who has destabilised the entire planet to line their own greedy evil pockets
That’s probably because your president is committing mass genocide of Ukrainians by abducting 700,000 of their children to be raised as Russians.
Do you think a random Russian citizen who is trying to leave Russia has anything to do with this?
Many of the people trying to leave Russia are against the war. It is idiotic to shame civilians who have little to no power to stop the actions of their oligarch run government.
I completely agree. Not all people are as open minded. I know an Israeli-American with dual citizenship that protested Netanyahu at NYU. People are absolutely not defined by their government. Russian elections are clearly rigged, so it’s even less likely she’s in favor of Putin. I wouldn’t criticize her unless she personally spoke in support of his actions. Unfortunately, I know enough people to be aware that it’s just not how everyone operates.
Her statements in the video suggest otherwise:
“[Russians] have a strong nationality”, which to me means they identify with their country and consequently its government. This statement alone says she should be emotionally responsible for her government’s actions as it indirectly or tacitly supports them.
“We are not an aggressive people”. False. Your nation is currently waging one of a series of aggressive wars in the region of late and there are numerous Russian videos that show how common vehicular accidents have everyone involved (and more) exiting their vehicles armed with melee weapons (crowbars, bats, etc…). Not an aggressive people? Relative to what, the Mongol Horde?
Members of hostile Nations have a burden of proof to show they are willing to play ball with other civilizations. The very fact she’s crying about the unfair treatment instead of asking ‘why all the hate’ and trying to dispel everyone’s very reasonable concerns is another strike against.
If she actually sat down and learned what her country was doing to innocent Ukrainians, and publicly denounced their actions she would have my sympathy. Until then she is a citizen of Orkistan, raised to hate the West and believe her governments lies since birth and cannot be trusted.
Do you think a random Russian citizen who is trying to leave Russia has anything to do with this?
No but that’s not a defence for her entitlement. Did she say “look,I totally despise what Russia ia doing in Ukrainians and how its undermining other countires and I don’t supoort that”… No, not once did she say that… Fuck her. I’ll save my empathy for the folks slaughtered in Bucha.
I know they’re subject to censorship, misinformation, and propaganda at home, but the Russian people still widely support the violent invasion and illegal war on Ukraine. That’s why the world doesn’t hold a positive view of Russians.
Regardless, this person was simply answering the question and not personally blaming a single Russian immigrant, so why are you shooting the messenger?
the Russian people still widely support the violent invasion and illegal war on Ukraine
How about the person in the video? Did you ask her? She makes no comment on her perspective of the war in the video.
So instead, without any knowledge of her personal views, bigoted people say she deserves to be hated simply because she is Russian, and everyone knows that all Russians love the war and want to eat children.
itt: a bunch of people spoiled by the fortune of not meeting enough actual Russians. They are overwhelmingly supportive of the war as it is fully aligned with the nation’s imperialistic identity, one that existed long before Putin was even born. Russia has amazing, brilliant, heroic opposition activists which are a slim minority, I’ve been told less than 1%. The rest are mostly like this woman (or worse)
You speak as if you believe Russia has freedom of press and right to openly protest. The fact is that the Russian state controls most of the public discourse, and any opposition is crushed. And you would place the blame on the victims of this regime?
EDIT: You seem like the type to believe Putin fairly won the election with 88% of the vote.
There are issues that Russia has right now, and then there is a national identity that they have had for decades and centuries. You seem to not be educated about the latter part. The misinformation is effective and bloodshed in Ukraine is supported because the content and aim resonates with the population. Putin did not have to convince anyone there that Ukrainians (and other neighbor countries) don’t have the right to exist as an independent nation. Even the most popular opposition leader Navalnyi had some horrifying imperialistic quotes, he fully supported the war in Georgia, the thing he was opposing to was corruption, not occupation. And knowing these important details is crucial for understanding just how much of the responsibility for the war falls on the nation and not just Putin.
Putin did not have to convince anyone there that Ukrainians (and other neighbor countries) don’t have the right to exist as an independent nation.
This is absolutely not true. Many Russians have relatives in the countries which were formerly part of the Soviet Union. There have been many protests within Russia against the war, which were usually met with violent suppression. Many in opposition of the war fled if they were able to.
But I guess Russians just really want to fight against their foreign relatives, simply because they themselves are Russian.
there is a national identity that they have had for decades and centuries
Yeah, there was this one guy who was in power for like 24 years who was a part of the intelligence community before he became a politician. Before he came to power, the entire world wanted the nation gone (and still do). Crazy how having every western government hate you could be used to create a national identity.
for understanding just how much of the responsibility for the war falls on the nation and not just Putin.
If the Russian people are responsible, I guess we should start bombing Russian cities then. That sounds reasonable.
yeah the end of the comment makes it clear that you’re malicious. What you say is utterly immoral and pinning that statement to me is disgusting.
For someone else who does not see why the whole response is answering to claims they themselves made it up (and try to create an illusion that those were my arguments) I am arguing that a random person who clearly displays typical Russian values should not be given a kilometer wide benefit of the doubt. And ignorant people here should stop going out on a limb to keep defending “innocent Russian civilians” and insisting that it’s only Putin that is the problem. Because that claim is factually false and ignorant of Russian civil culture and widespread imperialistic values. I was only explaining a context about Russian civilians that is necessary to keep in mind when being confused by someone like this lady.
I have said before and I will elaborate that I completely admire Russian opposition and would literally never achieve fraction of their courage but despite being many, in a population of hundreds of millions, fraction wise they’re nowhere near being a major portion. I never said every single Russian supports the war, and you trying to push that I did to justify dragging in an unrelated argument about protests is another openly malicious move. It is exhausting to argue when the other person twists your words, whether due to malice or not having skills to analyze statements.
I work with several, you are just a bigot.
I have dozens of Russian friends too, they explained all these things to me, especially since after the war many had to cut off almost everyone starting from family (I mean most of them had already cut off parents or at least a father since they typically beat the shit out of children) to classmates to other acquaintance. They were raised in Russia (those raised in western countries have a totally different background and are less severely impacted culturally) and were adults before Putin had absolute power. They say he just built on top of the identity of violence and imperialism. The Russian philosophers and political scientists they read and watch explain this. Are they bigots too?
People are individuals who are more than the country and government they are from. If you believe that 99% of a country is the same, you are a bigot.
I never claimed I believe that though, what I explain in my comments is vastly different from what you are attempting to pin on me. But you seem to desperately want to name call someone so whatever.
You said that people had “the fortune” of not meeting enough Russians and that less than one percent were in opposition. Perhaps you’re are just sloppy with your language, but it sounds like you’re just rocking the “one of the good ones” argument, so whatever.
She says:
I can’t stand it anymore because our real nationality is strong
Not sure what to make of this. We only have a video of an upset girl. Is she being treated unfairly? Who the fuck knows. All I know is that it plays perfectly into the Kremlin’s propaganda: We are the good guys and the world hates us for no good reason.
I don’t think Kremlin propaganda involves runaways seeking life elsewhere. Particularly their young women. That’s a really bad look for Russia.
Kremlin propaganda constantly involves polishing a turd until it shines. They’re going to have that ‘bad look’ one way or another, how do they twist it to make it work for them.
Turds are all they ever have, and they shine them well.
Actually, it does. It says that the Russian people have nowhere to go. Their only option is to band together (behind Putin).
Edit: Oh, btw. I’m not saying that this video is definitely part of a propaganda campaign. She could also be a victim of propaganda.
The claim is that she is a civilian, not a soldier. The video in no way suggests that soldiers
are the good guys and the world hates us for no good reason.
Disliking the actions of a government is very different from disliking an entire people based on nationality.
Russias “nationality” has boiled quite down to hail putin so there’s that.
There is no “good old russia” any more.
Your line of reasoning is very hard to follow. You are alternating between soldiers/civilians and people/individuals. You are arguing against a point I never made. You are not engaging with my concerns. So let me state this again. The video is highly emotional, completely one-sided. Contains no concrete information. And fits perfectly into the Kremlin’s propaganda. I wonder if all these Mexicans still hate her after she tells them that she disagrees with Putin and his war.
Do you think Westerners should hate the Russian people (civilians) because Putin is waging war?
If you say no, then you are in agreement with the person in the video, and by your own logic, have fallen for “Kremlin Propaganda”.
It’s also sending swarms of kgb assets into western countries to fuck with, media, elections, sabotage etc. There should be a MUCH higher barrier of entry for Russians
The killings / rape / torture is not just the president’s deeds.
Classic white monkey post
I try to put myself in their situation. As much as I am against this stupid war and Putin, if I was born in a country under dictatorship, I’d probably be brainwashed or too afraid to speak my mind too.
I think this is one of the few entry points for other Russians to start a conversation and maybe question your propaganda based selfimage
Well hope she gets send back to Russia.
If more Americans visited Europe they’d understand
we never do aggressive things
Lady, some guys are at the door looking for you, asking “WTF?!?” In Chechen, Ossetian, and Ukrainian… Oh wait there’s a guy loudly yelling in Finnish coming around the corner with his buddies from Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania… OMG they’ve got torches and pitchforks, saying that they’re looking for their friends on this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)
I do realize that she’s talking about individual Russians not being aggressive. And I know that I shouldn’t find it so funny, that she’s having this wake up call from the world… But I find it absolutely hilarious. You want others to like you? How about treating people better? And if your country’s the problem then revolt.
You want others to like you? How about treating people better?
From a certain perspective, what she and others like her are saying is - “I hate being treated the way we treat others” - which is a lazy, mindless posture as old as time itself.
it’s the invading of soverign nations… multiple times…
oh and all the war crimes
That this lady had no part in it and is actually trying to leave their country because of it, even leaving their families behind. Notice how she says Russians in Russia are always angry and she’s looking for a calmer place to live in. The main reason for their complaint is that even though they left all the angry Russians behind, they are now facing a not-so-much bigoted and racist behaviour in a place they hoped to find less aggressive life.
And here we have these guys in the comments foaming “FAFO” in their mouths without any indicator that this Russian person has anything to do with the Russian government or ultranationalist populace, where she left behind, any more than the peace-loving U…S. citizens’ being complicit in the mess their military-industry run government’s actions.
Yes, riiiiiiight - as well as my grandparent generation had noooothing to do with the things that happened here in Germany during WW2.
I would get it if she’d acknowledge what her country does and state that she doesn’t agree with Russia invading other countries. But this tearful “everyone treats us soooo bad”, blaming everyone else… fuck, no.
IDK. Where was he during WW2? Mexico?
It is one thing to make an enemy in a state power, it is another to disagree and try to put it behind yourself. You can say many of the Russians in Russia are complicit in this war even if they are not directly supporting it, but many more are just some people making a living where they are born and where they usually have no easy access to live or not be a part of.
Don’t make this topic more harmful nationalistic one more than it already is. Warring states, propaganda brainwashing and violent bigots are one thing and should not be given the benefit of the doubt. The civilians that have no overt or willing part in it but caught in the literal or political/social crossfire are another thing and what makes war worse than hell because you one can’t separate the two easily, but one must try.
Edit: Also your rhetoric is the same one Putin has been using for a decade in the annexed and occupied eastern Ukraine. “They are all Nazis over there” is one easy step towards the horrors of war.
“They are all Nazis over there” is something you try to put into my mouth.
I said it is the same situation in Russia where people do not speak up against what their country does. I also understand if they fear repercussions.
But this woman, who said she was in Brazil before, just whines around, “Russia is strong” and obviously is very OK with what happens or chooses to ignore it. She has been out of Russia for some time, she has seen other. media.
What I said - the same what happened in Germany is happening in Russia right now. People CHOOSING not to see and not to, speak about it.
I never said anything about “all” Russians.
Don’t try to put words in my mouth.
What I expect - yes demand - from someone like this woman is acknowledging what happens.
Cannot fathom the selective hatred and racism here. Is everyone racist to every nationality every time their government does something abhorrent? Where is the hatred towards North Korean escapees? Where is the hatred towards the Chinese around the world? I could go on… do you hate many Africans because their governments kill people for being gay?
Somehow seemingly only Russian people are villified around the world for the actions of the government
First off as an American I can assure you I have run into plenty of people who hate Americans for shit our government has done. As for Russians a lot of Russians support Putin so in turn a lot of people assume all Russians support the invasion so in turn most folks will have a bit of disdain for Russians.
It’s not racist to laugh at the irony.
Yeah. People just like hating on “evil” nations and she’s here as a representative and open for people to start trashing her, so yeehaw here we go. Personally I’ve actually really liked Russians on an individual level any time I have interacted with them; they’re generally kind of cocky / abrasive I guess, but they get shit done.
Also, she’s coming across as kind of a bad person which makes it easy to start bashing her. But yeah I mostly agree with you. She didn’t war crime anybody that we know of. I mean I’m from America; if we started bashing people for the war crimes their governments were committing I’d have to be at the head of the line.
@ryannathans @LaFinlandia not Hitler and Putin alone are evil, but all people who support them.
Take responsibility!We should start punishing north korean escapees too then?
