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Star Wars isn’t bad because of “woke” inclusivity. It’s bad because the people who were supposed to be responsible for carefully curating and engineering both the past and future lore of the universe we’re at the very best taking a maverick approach to storytelling and at worst actively trying to to sabotage the canon for the sake of their own selfish artistic pursuits.
I don’t dislike the nu-trilogy because it makes an effort to include women and minorities in leading roles. I dislike it because it’s an incoherent mess of a story that doesn’t mesh at all with what came before it, and the only thing holding it together in the veneer of Star Wars, but only the parts that made Star Wars iconic and not necessarily the ones that made Star Wars good.
They took the never tell me the odds two seriously
Yep. No one disagrees. The meme makes a point because it could be trotted out for ever single new release. Including back to the sequels.
No one says it about Andor though. Star Wars really is bad now. Your meme is saying that Star Wars is just as good as it ever was and we’re wrong for pointing out that it’s bad. But it is bad. And it didn’t used to be.
This unrealistic hypothetical includes way too much reasoning attempted with the “woke agenda” guy…
As the saying goes, go woke, go broke. That’s law.
Define woke in this meme cos woke means multiple thibgs to multiple people.
Disney has ruined star wars if that because of a woke agenda or just shit writing it depends on ur definition of woke.
How is star wars woke. Woke is a social construct conservative people use.
That’s the joke. It’s not really a criticism. It basically implies Peter is being racist.
I suppose it would be a very boring movie if all actors were just asleep the whole time.
Woke is a social construct conservative people use.
My dude, Woke is a concept that the culture wars have stolen and mangled. It goes back over a hundred years.
And you won’t be surprised at all regarding who they stole it from.
How a Black activist watchword got co-opted in the culture war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#Origins_and_usage
Edited to confess I don’t use it in the original context either. I use it like the article mentions near the end:
"People today who identify as woke see themselves as having been awakened to a new set of ideas, value systems, and knowledge”
I don’t actually use it out loud (primarily because of what conservatives have done to the word), but yeah, once you start looking behind the curtain, it’s hard to view it any other way but as an awakening.
Science fiction is primarily a form of social critique and commentary, according to the Titan, Professor Isaac Asimov.
Coming from a childhood raised in the deeply conservative Southeastern USA, SW felt like a validation of belief in religious magic, patriarchal paternalism, and accessible exceptionalism from hard work.
Before the information age, these ideas were far less clearly false. Now I see the parallel in religion as a toxic dead mythos, misogyny in western culture, and propaganda of a feudal death of democracy.
While I long for the nostalgia of the past, shinning a more modern perspective on that past reveals hideous flaws. The framework is dead to me, but admitting such a reality to myself is to give up a part of my childhood.
Thrawn though that’s some Dad energy shlock
Both are true
Disney is shit, star wars was never good
Hate the truth however much you want, it’ll still be valid tomorrow morning also.
Bold of you to assume we were ever happier.
Star Wars was good when kids were playing with their toys.
It’s a toy franchise with feature-length advertisements. Always has been.
I wish one time someone who hates all the newer stuff would give a real reason why and not some lame blanket statement about it. I liked some of the new movies well enough even though I was a adult when they came out. Sure the first three were great when you were a kid. I’m seen that same look though on kids watching the new stuff. The new ones are their star wars.
When episode 2 was released I have already read at least 10 books from the star wars universe. Chronologically before episode 1 and after episode 6.
The authors of these books exchanged concepts, aligned the universe across ther works and put care into consistencz between different reads. They probably even questioned george lucas about the possible future.
And then there came disney, dumped across years of work and didn’t bother to align anything. This is why they suck hardcore to me. And then these films are dump and just money-grabbing machines.
Fuck everything since disney. They simply suck hardcore.
If you hate the movies because they don’t respect the lore, I’m sorry to say I don’t think your opinion really matters.
To explain why, I’ll share my own experience. I am a massive fan of Dune, I’ve read the series multiple times and consider it my favourite art/series/thing. I kind of hated the recent movies because in my opinion they didn’t understand the source material and adapted it in a way that ruined what made the books so amazing to me. I couldn’t separate the movies from the books and it ruined my experience of watching the movies.
My point is that if you are so invested in the lore and backstory, you’re probably not able to assess the movies on their own merit. The prequels are god awful movies and you seem to have no issue with them.
BTW I’m not defending the sequels at all except to say that I thought FA was a fine movie.
I really couldn’t enjoy them. It was going against my grain and I could tell every upcoming emotion upfront. It reminded me of these short-cutted youtube videos.
Some scenes were nostalgic but I did indeed feel robbed for all the potential stories missed and overwritten.
Since my friends had a good time I just focused on these few nostalgic moments which were nice to see after such a long time. You gifted me the opportunity to reflect which I appreciate.
The prequels are god awful movies and you seem to have no issue with them.
Hehe, you read me like a book. I even liked episode one very much.
The original trilogy were fun adventure that had really solid special effects for their time, quotable lines, memorable characters, and yes were just new and fresh takes on existing stories like everythibg is.
The new movies lean way too hard into nostalgia for nostalgia’s sake instead while also contradicting a lot of the established world building of the original movies without more than one or two memorable characters. They spend way too much time talking about the macguffins instwad of using them to advance the plot, have special effects sequences that drag on too long which makes them tedious instead of tense and exciting. They waste leading characters by setting up some interesting possibilities that could be explored, like a stormtrooper who deserted or the knight of Ren, both of which were introduced at the start of Ep 7, then drop them to spend time on macguffins leading to new macguffins like the stupid sith dagger bullshit that made zero sense.
The sequel trilogy starts with a rehash of the original trilogy, but a worse story and with better special effects. It isn’t memorable and then two incoherent movies that dropped the interesting parts of ep 7 to waste time on pointless spectacle.
Rogue One had the style of the first films down, but didn’t pull off being memorable. I put it third after Empire Strikes back and A New Hope.
None of this is to say the original trilogy is perfect or anything, it is just more fun to watch and quote and that is what is important with adventure stories. Spectacle doesn’t matter when the story sets up something interesting and then forgets about it.
As succinctly as possible:
Disney paid a billion dollars for a franchise people cared about. It doesn’t matter what the franchise was or anything else, what mattered is that people cared and many considered it to be culturally significant.
Disney then made a trilogy without a long term plan other than “make a trilogy”.
The writing was at best lackluster, at worst laughable. Specific examples abound (“somehow, Palpatine returned”) but the major problems are that the core conflict of the middle film of the trilogy was contrived and the third film then had to scramble to cover the glaring, obvious problems. This writing issue eclipses other (still very serious) problems like a lack of character development with the main character, setups without payoffs, and trivializing or bastardizing supporting characters.
4 billion even!
Fuck me, really?
What the cinnamon toast fuck is wrong with that company? I don’t care if you’re fucking Bill Gates, when you spend four billion dollars you might want to … ya know … have a game plan and not rush a script out the door.
The movies are not the moneymakers for Star Wars, and never have been. Lucas didn’t get 4 billion dollars for the movie rights.
The money is in toys and licensing, and Disney has most likely made their money back already.
Disney hasn’t been too happy with the performance of star wars as an IP.
Here ya go. This goes into great and specific detail about why the original movies are much better movies than the newer ones
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&list=PL5919C8DE6F720A2D&index=1&pp=iAQB
My post got removed. Bunch of thin skinned little children in here. I have my opinion and don’t really care if you don’t share it.
Calling everyone who disagrees with you “thin skinned little children” makes you look like a child. It makes it seem like you really do care that they don’t share your opinion.
I like how you’re getting downvoted because it kind of puts your point on display. I am by no means fond of the sequel trilogy, but I certainly agree that there is a generational preference based on which movies you grew up with.
This is why they are being downvoted.
I wish one time someone who hates all the newer stuff would give a real reason why and not some lame blanket statement about it.
Plenty of people have given real reasons that aren’t blanket statements. Some people have soent way more time than the movies deserve pointing out the issues with the new movies.
Heck, I spent a few minutes making a comment as a reply to theirs covering the basic issues that is far more than a blanket statement, and that was just the objectively bad stuff that I remembered off the top of my head.
Plenty of people have written/spoke in great detail about this. At this point you aren’t actually interested in criticism of Disney’s work.
There’s nothing wrong with liking bad movies if they could at least admit they’re bad. But no, they have to defend Disney’s honor or some shit.
Star Wars, DC, Marvel, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Jurassic whatever, Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones, Godzilla, Halo, Gears of War, Batman: Arkham and every other nostalgia-driven cinematic/televised/videogame franchise relies on shitgobblers. Shitgobblers just keep gobbling.
Solo had L3-37 who was presented as being a self made individual literally and she was also humanized with her body and movement being less stuffy and robotic and more human. I remember people complaining she was woke.
Maybe it’s woke to advocate for someone having equal rights or wanting to be viewed equal to people when the story presents her as someone who is self-aware, capable of emotions, and desires freedom. She certainly uses a lot of terms that I guess people who are worried about wokeness might find off-putting.
BUT, here’s the thing most of the time when she says that she wants fair treatment or equal rights it’s presented as a joke. Even her losing her body and the ability to freely move and pursue her own goals is treated as something of a happy ending. Remember the whole movie where she said she wants freedom and autonomy and how she’s a self made droid? Well now she’s shackled inside a computer with no ability to escape, but it’s a happy ending because the audience wasn’t meant to take her seriously.
So in that the context of Solo the people who were complaining about wokeness were missing the forest through the trees, when the only messaging that could really be considered “woke” was something that was treated as a joke in the movie. I wouldn’t be surprised if people complaining about wokeness are just people who are upset if minorities or gay people exist and they use the term to hide behind and avoid outright saying it
(I’m aware that there’s more Star Wars than just Solo, but I haven’t seen all the new stuff and was mostly using it as an example)
Solo had a robot named leet? How did I miss that…
The goal was to make a Flash Gordon adaptation. So objectively, this is a failure. A very cool one
Old Star Wars: Jedi is all about training, discipline, and resist temptations.
Disney’s Star Wars: FAT JEDI.
