I have windows in one machine and Linux on the other. And never shall the two interact.
Earlier I did duel boot, then I tried vm using windows in Linux , then VM linux in windows. Then I tried windows 11 with wsl. All of them had issues
What were the issues you’ve had with WSL? I’ve been happily using that for a while now.
It did not do background cron tasks over long periods, and, on top of that, the Linux kept crashing after a few hours. Particularly if the machine went to sleep
I had issues installing some things : after I learned to use docker desktop that was not so much an issue though. But, the docker desktop at that time kept crashing due to memory issues .
Additionally I had issues with Kubernetes, particularly the gateway, in windows ,that just worked in Linux
Also I had trouble managing tens of thousands of files in my code editor, phpstorm. I wanted the files on the Linux side but had issues despite running the editor on the windows side or Linux side. I had trouble using Linux tools when managed from my editor.
Also, when I tried it , I had some issues integrating Linux and windows gui together.
I think I would have had more success with all of these if I had more experience with the things that bothered me; and honestly phpstorm has always been a pain.
But I drifted more into Linux land and more or less gave up on windows except for games and connecting to other window machines .
But I was really impressed by the integration of wls, and spent many happy hours
Since moving to Linux this is at least the second time there have been issues with MS screwing up dual boot via grub. I switched to systemd-boot after the first incident, and thank goodness for that.
Cost me a few hours and ended up just disabling secure boot in the end. Wish I didn’t need MS for some programs.
Can’t you run them in a VM?
I did try that years ago, ran into performance issues and other bugs, and it wasn’t worth messing around with when dual booting is so simple. Might reconsider in the future if MS keeps messing up though.
I think somebody posted a guide about passing GPU function from the host to a guest VM (for example) with
vfio, so it’s certainly possible to get a more bare-metal experience!
Just curious, what programs? I’m obsessed with only using FOSS, maybe I can give you some alternatives.
I’ve got secure boot disabled so I’m good.
Well that’s super obnoxious
Waiting for the MS apologists to say this is a Crowdstrike problem or some other fucking dumbass shit.
Microsoft by and large are just computational cancer at this point. Bloat, crud, fud, and junk.
The Crowdstrike problem was in fact a Crowdstrike problem. It affected Linux too, but of course there are vastly fewer users of Crowdstrike on Linux: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theregister.com/AMP/2024/07/21/crowdstrike_linux_crashes_restoration_tools/
This is pretty obviously a Microsoft problem.
Well… yes and no.
The fact that Crowdstrike very obviously and intentionally fuzzed the line between ring 0 drivers and app metadata simply could not have been done without MS’s tacit (at the very least) approval. The initial version where Cloudstrike introduced that side loading threat definition update vector should have been flagged as an issue - more specifically, they should have held them to a FAR more rigorous testing and resiliency standard than they were. This is fairly standard practice (and in many cases enforced as regulatory measures) for highly critical systems and components in a lot of industries, and I’ve worked in two of those industries.
Yeah, that part is pretty wild and definitely Microsoft’s fault.
Microsoft creates secure boot: “we should be able to run whatever we want on our hardware!”
Microsoft lets users install crowdstrike on their computer: “Microsoft shouldn’t let us run this on our hardware!”
Way to miss the nuance lol
What I’m saying is that if a system claims to rigorously validate code that runs in a particular sensitive domain (here, ring 0), it should actually rigorously validate code. This was a process failure at the end of the day.
I stopped trying to dual boot entirely with all the problems it caused me. I’m surprised the community universally seems to recommend dual booting as an easy to setup option for beginners.
Easiest way to dual boot is 2 disks, with Linux and grub installed on 2nd disk, and BIOS set to boot to 2nd disk. That way Winblows thinks it is alone in the 1st disk of the system.
Even so had an issue a couple years back that Winblows messed up its own loader, by not placing the boot files in the reserved hidden partition but then configuring the boot as if it did… facepalm Took me a morning of trial and error figuring how Winblows boot to fix it…
Winblows is a cancer, but unfortunately it still is necessary for some gaming.
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Only for the kind of gaming that is itself a cancer: the one that wants to install a rootkit “anticheat” on your system.
I have a steam deck since the launch of the device and even stuff like old C&C games run on it. Hell, the little guy is able to run even FF16!
Edit: typo
There are still some obscure games that dont work ( or are hard enough to setup that i couldnt do it ) on linux regardless of anticheat. Sins of solar empire and knights and mechants in my case were particulary problematic if i remember correctly.
I have had a hell of a time trying to get Shadow Empire running. It’s the only title I have found that doesn’t have kernel-level anticheat that doesn’t work on Linux.
Haven’t tried it myself, but people report they are getting it running following some steps in its protonDB page
I tried running the games that I need Windork for some time ago, but got fed up tweaking the stuff. I’ll give it a try soon.
Btw, I only do PC gaming, no consoles or mobile.
My main gaming device is now a steam deck. I’ve run on it mostly everything I’m interested in. I reckon I don’t like competitive games, so I never tried lol or Fortnite or CoD or anything of the likes, but the deck at home is running from Genshin impact to Final Fantasy 14. No man’s sky, assassin’s creed odyssey, ff16 demo, and every indie I wanted to play.
And except for games like Genshin impact or honkai star rail (not for me but for my SO) which needed a different launcher and some small tweaking, the rest of the games have been running “out of the box”, doing no tweaking at all.
Optimally we wouldn’t I think but it usually boils down to being the lesser evil.
Yup
This is shit. But dual booting (on the same drive) has not been viable for decades. It inevitably becomes a mess. Just have windows on one drive and Linux on another if you can’t fully switch to Linux.
Never had an issue with it myself
“works on my machine”
Yeah, dual booting on a single drive causes more harm than good. It’s very annoying, and I’ve seen people think it’s Linux’s fault, saying “I can boot into Windows just fine.” It’s like saying a bully is the better kid since he never has dirty clothes.
Ugh, I gotta boot into Windows later tonight to get some classwork stuff done and it’s gonna want to install crap since I haven’t booted it in a couple weeks. I’m running Bazzite (it’s Fedora based) on another drive and hopefully I don’t have to deal with this, based on what I’ve seen I think my setup will be fine. (Anyone in Minnesota want to sell me an older MacBook for cheap so I don’t have to deal with Windows for six more months?)
Now what’s the best way to keep Windows from updating for the next two weeks?
Disable automatic updates with group policy
@brb @AlligatorBlizzard that also poses a great security risk since the majority of updated are security-related, even though they also break stuff
For just 2 weeks it’s probably fine but good disclaimer
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Best solution is to format the C:\ drive and never touch any Microsoft product again. That is what I did 10 years ago.
The newly freed 40+GB are a nice bonus.
You also got rid of a lot of malware as a bonus. And your PC boots a lot faster now as well.
