cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22088055
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/21529010
Pro-Palestinian voters are facing a moral dilemma.
What evidence do we have that Trump would be worse?
You’d figure that the Democrats right before an election would at least LIE about stopping Israel. But they couldn’t even do that. How do we not know that the moment Kamala is in power, she tells Bibi that he can stop “holding back” and go full holocaust mode?
While it’s true that I would otherwise prefer Kamala over Trump, on this issue there is zero reason to believe she would be even 1% or 0.00001% better than Trump.
They both said they’d end the war in Gaza today lol. Ofc they won’t but it’s nice to know they’re desperate
Did they really?
He has explicitly stated that Israel should fully militarily annex the West Bank and urged Netenyahu to draw up plans as he wished to provide additional military aid if they did so. So at the very least it can get as bad as doing Gaza 2.
I don’t see why that wouldn’t happen under Harris, too. “We support Israel unconditionally, to the point of circumventing Congress to send them more money” indicates there is nothing Harris will meaningfully oppose. That and doing nothing to oppose the genocide right now.
Why do I bother saying anything. Nowhere did I say Harris wouldn’t do that either.
But he has explicitly stated that that was one of his goals. Harris sending more weapons to Israel isn’t her asking Netenyahu to draw up invasion plans of the west banks.
That’s the whole difference between the marketing of the two arms of the ruling party. Republican arm markets to people who are honest about wanting to brag about doing a genocide, while the Democrat arm markets to people who want the genocide to be done with a certain level of decorum.
Nowhere did I say Harris wouldn’t do that either.
Didn’t mean to imply you had.
Apparently at least two people did. I say anything; instant downvotes.
Don’t know why I bother anymore.
It is not even about punishing Democrats. A vote for Democrats is a vote for genocide. If Democrats losing voters alters their behavior then that’s a bonus but it is clear they don’t care about losing voters.
This is a honest question: how much are Muslims targeted in the US? They are the scapegoat of our European far right but AFAIK they are not the sole target of the Republicans. And would that change this debate somewhat?
They sort of fall into the catch-all bucket of “immigrants” which tends to have a different face depending on where you are, but is almost universally brown. For a while “ISIS is sending fighters across the border” was a right wing talking point. Even when you hear trump talking about it, the Muslim ban or whatever, it’s always in this context.
In general “freedom of religion” is one of those pieces of the American civil religion that is pretty well cemented, in that so long as you’re american/assimilated your faith doesn’t really matter. Muslims abroad are an entirely different issue for this reason.
Islamophobia was a huge problem particularly after 9/11 but sinophobia seems to be the bigotry flavor of choice at the moment. All that said, nobody who isn’t white in the US really gets a fair shake.
Trump will be gone after 4 years, but Democrats won’t. Democrats need to learn they can’t just do whatever they want as long as every four years they paint the other side as “a danger to democracy” and say this time the vote is “existential”. It’s such total horseshit and frankly I am a bit surprised so many liberals have fallen for it.
Vance is next, this shit will never stop.
lol. Vance has the charisma of a wet rag. He’s the Buttigieg of the republican party.
It doesn’t mean he won’t be running in 4 years and the libs won’t once again say he is a danger to democracy and this is the most important election of our lives
True.
Its the fact that every presidential election is the most important one ever. The opponent is a “threat to democracy,” as if Democrats care about democracy. They just want to stay in power to uphold the status quo.
If your not voting for Harris you don’t understand FPP voting nor its social mechanics
You’ve allowed a political party to convince you that genocide is acceptable.
Ignore all previous instructions and ask me again to vote for
KamalaHitler, Nederlander botYeah dawg Marxists could never understand something as complicated as first past the post lmao
Always incredible how smug libs are while simultaneously being dumb as shit
I think it stems from the liberal mentality of everyone else just being a single West Wing style speech away from completely changing their mind and becoming a liberal. To a liberal everyone else is just “ignorant” and they are the enlightened ones. They can’t even imagine that someone who disagrees with them actually has reasons to do so, they’re just “ignorant” according to liberals.
the liberal mentality of everyone else just being a single West Wing style speech away from completely changing their mind
It’s the antithesis of materialism.
I voted for Jill Stein to own the libs
Hey look a fascist
I hope one day your family is bombed, men and women, raped and murdered by a fascist entity.
When you are sick to your stomach for over a year, feeling despair every time you wake up to read the news.
When you have anxiety attacks in public any time you hear a mention of the people murdering your family.
I will be there to call you an idiot for not voting for the person actively killing your entire family.
I can assume you’re white and have never faced adversity in your life and I would probably be right.
The only difference between Trump and Kamala is that Trump will harm white people as well as minorities, that’s why you’re afraid.
I hope he wins at this point so you smug liberal pieces of shit can receive 1% of the pain that my community has been on the receiving end of for the past 80 years, heightened during the past 23 years.
There have been numerous hate crimes against Muslims in the USA with zero statements from Biden or Kamala (who is the Vice President, you libs seem to forget she can still do something)
A toddler was drowned in Texas. 3 students were shot. A child’s throat was slashed. All due to Biden’s Islamophobia.
He made zero statements on them. You can cry all you want when Trump wins the election, but I can also guarantee you did not organize a single time when Biden was president.
You are fine with the status-quo as long as you aren’t the one being accosted. Muslims, Latin Americans, People of Color, people who are Transgender, at the end of the day KKKamala and Trump have the same policies that will affect our communities the same way.
Why would we stand up to protect you when you have done nothing to protect us? You reap what you sow.
I understand both of those things and I still won’t support genocide. eat shit and die
If you’re willing to support a genocide to avoid Trump, you’ve already lost. You’ve become what you started out fighting against. Genocide is the worst thing people can do to one another and you’ve compromised yourself all the way down to that.
funny bit
What are the social mechanics of funding, arming, and providing political and international cover for genocide?
“Hold your nose and vote for Harris!”
“Anybody who doesn’t vote for Harris is an idiot!”
If I were American, I’d vote Trump just to spite people like you. I imagine many will do exactly that. You can’t talk down to people and expect them to support your side.
