• Zorque@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      I don’t even know what DEI is.

      It would be nice if at least once a page someone fucking explains an acronym. It’s a little more understandable when you can infer a meaning through context, but when the context is that people are using it as the new woke bogeyman it gives zero clue as to what it even is.

      • Ooops@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        5 months ago

        You aren’t wrong with your criticism in general (from a purely journalistic pov). But actually typing DEI into Google and clicking the first hit, would be more constructive than ranting.

  • BombOmOm@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    5 months ago

    D.E.I. programs explicitly treat people differently based on race. Such programs have no place in modern society.

      • FaceDeer@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 months ago

        “We can’t stop doing X as long as we’re still doing X” doesn’t exactly make much sense either.

          • FaceDeer@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            5 months ago

            X, in this case, is “treating people differently based on race.”

            I would love if we were to do un-X.

              • FaceDeer@kbin.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                5 months ago

                So now DEI programs are only for people of colour?

                Why not just “disadvantaged people”? That takes race out of the equation entirely, and everyone is satisfied. Unless excluding disadvantaged people of specific races or genders or whatever is actually the point.

                • twice_twotimes@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  Extend to gender, ethnicity, LGBTQ, whatever…the key is the “systematically.” We can’t assess relative (dis)advantage at an individual level, but we can recognize it at a systemic level and develop programs that counter it systemically.

  • blahsay@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 months ago

    I thought treating people differently based on race was to be avoided? There’s no good racism right?

    Wouldn’t a better and fairer idea be to give people a hand up based on economic issues?

    You can’t tell if someone has experienced racial discrimination based on the race they ascribe to (ask Megan markle).

    However you can definitely (and without bias) tell someone is going to be disadvantaged if they grew up in a poor neighbourhood, neither parent earned much, no family history of higher education etc etc.

    • yesman@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      You’re talking about affirmative action, this is about DEI.

      I thought treating people differently based on race was to be avoided? There’s no good racism right?

      On the very slim chance you’re asking in good faith, I’ll answer your question.

      Suppose we were playing poker, and I was cheating the whole time. After a long time, and with almost all the chips, I finally agree not to cheat anymore and play the game “with the same rules for everybody, going forward”. That’s fair, right?

      • blahsay@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        5 months ago

        I get that you have good intentions and I hate to tell you this but every racist thinks their racism is right and justified. Best to reject racism mate.

        Also your example plays perfectly into the compromise I suggested. Why not give those with less chips more? They’re not always (insert race you want to preference here).

        I know the intention is to level the playing field but it’s been divisive and often exploited by those who don’t need it. Economic standards are far easier to determine, more accurate measures and aren’t racist.

      • blahsay@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        5 months ago

        It’s a compromise.

        Removes the racism inherent in Dei and replaces it with something that hopefully helps more people that actually need a hand.