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If we are serious about UA regaining all territory, they must be allowed to expand the war into Russia. It’s the only way a state can be reached where “return to the status quo ante” is a gain for both sides.
Sanctions do provide some leverage too.
Mostly just hurts the Russian people, Putin doesn’t give a shit.
In that sense, same as war. Putin’s not going to be hit; there’s no direct impact on him. But both cause economic and political pressures for him.
Oof that’s not a great idea. Protecting sovereignty is a hard enough sell internationally. Selling an invasion isn’t something the international community is really showing an interest in right now.
Exactly. I think long-range strikes on military infrastructure is A-OK but actually expanding the frontline into russia would be a gigantic move, with potentially unpredictable results.
Now that we’re solidly on the same page, I wanted to reply to:
Selling an invasion isn’t something the international community is really showing an interest in right now.
Unless you consider everything that Israel is doing. The international community is apparently perfectly fine with that kind of invasion, being complacent (at best) while thousands of innocent people are killed. Israel can at least offer the disputed claim that Oct. 7 caught them off guard and that hamas must be eliminated (I agree with the latter… fuck hamas), but russia has no ground to stand on for justifying their current attempted genocide. There’s obviously some shady shit happening behind the scenes.
They just mean weapons should be used to strike targets in Russia, not an invasion.
I support striking Russian military targets. I don’t support a ground invasion. So if what your saying is true I agree.
I don’t support a ground invasion either, but then Russia went and invaded and here we are.
They ought to be driven back to Moscow and actually liberate some people living under a dictator.
I’d be happy with pushing the orcs a mile across their border with the threat to push them further if they don’t stop.
Idk man, historically Russians have always put one fascist fuck after another in power. Putin goes, another comes in his place.
Building parking lots out of Russian territory from a distance seems like a great idea
Ukraine is already doing that. Though in a small scale.
The issue is escalating where Russia feels the need to use nukes. That is a no win for everyone.
Yeah they won’t be using nukes regardless of how the west “escalates”. They can leave Ukraine and end this whenever they want.
I’m not so sure if that. Putin is dying or so the stories go. He may escalate to nuked at some point.
I agree, putin is looking to glorify his accomplishments as “president”. I think the moment he wants to use nukes his ersatz administration will be forced to pull the plug. Hopefully he dies as humiliatingly as all fascists deserve to die.
I’m hoping his people pull the plug. I’m actually surprised they haven’t done it yet.
The average Russian doesn’t want nuclear war anymore than anyone else.
Historically the Russians have showed constraint with nuclear weapons. I hope that continues.
Agreed, the people of Russia deserve better.
Stalin was much more powerful and feared than Putin is today. Look up how Stalin died if you want an idea of what is in Putin’s head right now.
The issue is escalating where Russia feels the need to use nukes. That is a no win for everyone.
If the other option is just letting Russia run continuously unchecked across sovereign nations, then I guess we eat some nukes. However, Russia knows the first nuke they detonate means not even their liege, China, will defend them.
@wintermute_oregon @LaFinlandia
Nukes are a guaranteed lose - lose option. The Russians don’t want to lose.Hitler ordered the complete destruction of Germany before he was finished. You never know what Putin is going to do.
BOMB ST PETERSBURG AND MOSCOW.
OR RISK STARVING CUBA. THEY have not received any grain from ruzzia this year and are LITERALLY STOPPING BREAD PRODUCTION (each registered Cuban gets one bread roll a day: Not For March 2024!!)
Are you alright? The problem with Putin and Russian army is that they’re committing war crimes, and you call for war crimes from a “civilized” side as well?
Yes, do it now or pay high cost later. Many Europeans will need to go into active service if this doesn’t stop soon. That’s not good.
There is another solution right now - give all the arms that Ukraine is requesting. Because they’ve been cherry-picking, postponing, and saying “this is too effective, you can’t have that” for ablong time.
And that’s a better solution than your “bomb the civilians”True, so talk about those alternatives. Not about ruzzian propaganda on tiktok… Which is what MOST people are now talking about (even the tankies on lemmy)
I’m not using tiktok, I just read a comment about “let’s bomb civilians” and responded, because it’s inhumane, whatener position you take, group belong to, citizenship you have.
It’s not inhumane. Inhumane is shooting people that need food like in Gaza. Inhumane in abducting 20.000 children from Ukraine
Inhumane is NOT ACTING BEFORE Europe gets invaded
They are going to starve then, because the impotent old men who ‘lead’ Western countries are too afraid of Russia to do much to discomfort them.
You can’t starve ruzzia…
HOWEVER RUZZIA STOPPED EXPORTING OIL!!!
@JustMy2c
Because their refineries are in disrepair.Tankie alert! Someone is trying to make RUZZIA look better as they are.
Yes, disrepair (and firing all staff)
Yes, drone attacks
Yes, lower price on markets as their COST to extract and ship
Yes, RUZZIANS ARE FINALLY SABOTAGING THEIR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT TO MAKE THEM STOP THE WAR.
This is great news for the world! (except for India, they were profiting a LOT from reselling ruzzian oil)
@JustMy2c
No.Ukraine is destroying their equipment.
This is not being done by imaginary ‘Good Russians.’Could you read again and take note of what I actually said? RUZZIANS are sabotaging.
All that is not claimed by Ukraine government MUST be sabotage from within the country. Yes, good ruzzians exists. Even inside ruzzia
