You are arguing against a strawman. I never said that I am anti-transhumanist.
But at the core Solarpunk has quite different values to transhumanism. Technology (while useful) is largely irrelevant to Solarpunk. And it actively escews the typical transhumanist narrative (that you basically repeat) that technology innovation will safe or transform humanity for the better.
Solarpunk isn’t anti-technological innovation but it recognizes that we already have all the technology we would need to live a sustainable and "worth living” life, the problem is rather how we use the technology. Solarpunk is also deeply anti-capitalist, which is something that can not be said about transhumanism.
And last but not least, you paint a very rosy picture of transhumanism, but in the history of it major proponents advocated for terrible ideas like eugenics and like it or not, but people like Elon Musk do fit into the transhumanist definition.
So while I think Solarpunk and Transhumanism has some small overlap at the fringes, it is extremely misleading to group them together like you do.
I never said that you said you were; I said that you are because that’s what you appear to me to be.
actively escews the typical transhumanist narrative […] that technology innovation will safe or transform humanity for the better.
Then how is it that almost everypiece of solarpunkmedia I’ve seen shows technology that’s fantastical and helps people in wonderful ways or are explalainers on how to use extant technology such as Acorn Land Labs’ demonstrations on sustainable farming? This is one of the least convincing arguments that you could have made.
Solarpunk […] recognizes that we already have all the technology we would need to live a sustainable and "worth living” life
Can you cite some piece of media by a prevelant member of the solarpunk community that demonstrates this point? I haven’t noticed that at all, and even if there’s some notion of that in the community it hardly seems prevelant.
Solarpunk is also deeply anti-capitalist, which is something that can not be said about transhumanism.
This is true; the core of Transhumanism is politically agnostic. This is why I said that it’s a codified re-branding of the left wing of the transhumanist movement. Anarcho-transhumanism is transhumanism, and it’s not exactly a small part of the community at this point; contemporary transhumanists are often at least deeply critical of capitalism, which has been going on since at the latest around the advent of Google Deep Dream.
major proponents advocated for terrible ideas
It’s existed since the 60s. Holy shit, do you have any idea how many awful people went around calling themselves socialists? “Some people who call themselves X said bad things sometimes” is a universally terrible argument. The version you’re looking for is “X portion of community Y says Z, and community Y seems largely OK with it”. Which by the rule of charitable interpretation I should assume is what you meant, except modern transhumanists aren’t in favor of eugenics.
Instead of embracing retrofuturism, solarpunk looks completely to the future. Not an alternative future, but a possible future.
Solarpunk wants to counter the scenarios of a dying earth, an insuperable gap between rich and poor, and a society controlled by corporations.
Solarpunk envisions a built environment creatively adapted for solar gain, amongst other things, using different technologies.
We’ve learned to use science wisely, for the betterment of our life conditions as part of our planet.
Wow, you’re right, no H+ rhetoric, phrases, or similarities whatsoever! What ever *could* I have been thinking!
The pathos, methods, and terminology of the contemporary Anarcho-transhumanism movement is all over the manifesto you linked; you are proving my point for me! Furthermore, it doesn’t appear to contain any specific references to innovation being unnecessary, as you claimed was part of the core of this movement which you also claimed was intentionally vague. Claiming on one hand that a movement is vague to attract a broad coalition and also very confidently claiming (with as far as I can tell no actual evidence) that it definitely has very few members from any particular other movement while not contradictory strikes me as extremely odd.
Well, obviously you are very certain of your opinion as well, so there seems little point in arguing further. Just don’t be surprised when other people will tell you the same next time you incorrectly claim solarpunk and transhumanism is the same 🙄
You are arguing against a strawman. I never said that I am anti-transhumanist.
But at the core Solarpunk has quite different values to transhumanism. Technology (while useful) is largely irrelevant to Solarpunk. And it actively escews the typical transhumanist narrative (that you basically repeat) that technology innovation will safe or transform humanity for the better.
Solarpunk isn’t anti-technological innovation but it recognizes that we already have all the technology we would need to live a sustainable and "worth living” life, the problem is rather how we use the technology. Solarpunk is also deeply anti-capitalist, which is something that can not be said about transhumanism.
And last but not least, you paint a very rosy picture of transhumanism, but in the history of it major proponents advocated for terrible ideas like eugenics and like it or not, but people like Elon Musk do fit into the transhumanist definition.
So while I think Solarpunk and Transhumanism has some small overlap at the fringes, it is extremely misleading to group them together like you do.
I never said that you said you were; I said that you are because that’s what you appear to me to be.
Then how is it that almost every piece of solarpunk media I’ve seen shows technology that’s fantastical and helps people in wonderful ways or are explalainers on how to use extant technology such as Acorn Land Labs’ demonstrations on sustainable farming? This is one of the least convincing arguments that you could have made.
Can you cite some piece of media by a prevelant member of the solarpunk community that demonstrates this point? I haven’t noticed that at all, and even if there’s some notion of that in the community it hardly seems prevelant.
This is true; the core of Transhumanism is politically agnostic. This is why I said that it’s a codified re-branding of the left wing of the transhumanist movement. Anarcho-transhumanism is transhumanism, and it’s not exactly a small part of the community at this point; contemporary transhumanists are often at least deeply critical of capitalism, which has been going on since at the latest around the advent of Google Deep Dream.
It’s existed since the 60s. Holy shit, do you have any idea how many awful people went around calling themselves socialists? “Some people who call themselves X said bad things sometimes” is a universally terrible argument. The version you’re looking for is “X portion of community Y says Z, and community Y seems largely OK with it”. Which by the rule of charitable interpretation I should assume is what you meant, except modern transhumanists aren’t in favor of eugenics.
You don’t get to define us; we define ourselves.
Those examples are really not the best as they are basically corporate attempts to jump on the Solarpunk bandwagon and use it for green-washing.
As for the other things… you seem to be really not have looked deeply at all into Solarpunk if you haven’t even read the Solarpunk Manifesto.
Maybe the articles that we mirrored here will give you a better idea: https://wiki.f-hub.org/books/slrpnknet/chapter/learn-more-about-solarpunk
Wow, you’re right, no H+ rhetoric, phrases, or similarities whatsoever! What ever *could* I have been thinking!
The pathos, methods, and terminology of the contemporary Anarcho-transhumanism movement is all over the manifesto you linked; you are proving my point for me! Furthermore, it doesn’t appear to contain any specific references to innovation being unnecessary, as you claimed was part of the core of this movement which you also claimed was intentionally vague. Claiming on one hand that a movement is vague to attract a broad coalition and also very confidently claiming (with as far as I can tell no actual evidence) that it definitely has very few members from any particular other movement while not contradictory strikes me as extremely odd.
Well, obviously you are very certain of your opinion as well, so there seems little point in arguing further. Just don’t be surprised when other people will tell you the same next time you incorrectly claim solarpunk and transhumanism is the same 🙄