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In these 32 ridings the PC candidate won thanks to vote splitting. Results are as of this morning and may have changed slightly.
Thanks to all spoiler candidates listed below /s
26 spoiler candidates are New Democrats, 11 are Green, and 5 are Liberal. Only one NDP candidate, Natasha Doyle-Merrick, had the decency to step down in Eglinton-Lawrence, but that election was still spoiled by Green candidate Leah Tysoe 😡
First past the post 👎👎👎
York South-Weston: election spoiled by Faisal Hassan (NDP); Daniel Di Giorgio (Liberal) would have won by 7957 votes (25%)
Hamilton Mountain: election spoiled by Kojo Damptey (NDP); Dawn Danko (Liberal) would have won by 8021 votes (21%)
Peterborough-Kawartha: election spoiled by Jen Deck (NDP); Adam Hopkins (Liberal) would have won by 7232 votes (13%)
Sault Ste. Marie: election spoiled by Gurwinder Dusanjh (Liberal); Lisa Vezeau-Allen (NDP) would have won by 2920 votes (10%)
Burlington: election spoiled by Megan Beauchemin (NDP); Andrea Grebenc (Liberal) would have won by 4447 votes (8%)
Hamilton East-Stoney Creek: election spoiled by Zaigham Butt (NDP); Heino Doessing (Liberal) would have won by 2784 votes (7%)
Kitchener South-Hespeler: election spoiled by Jeff Donkersgoed (NDP) and Jessica Riley (Green); Ismail Mohamed (Liberal) would have won by 2653 votes (7%)
Scarborough Centre: election spoiled by Sonali Chakraborti (NDP); Mazhar Shafiq (Liberal) would have won by 2104 votes (7%)
Kitchener-Conestoga: election spoiled by Jodi Szimanski (NDP); Joe Gowing (Liberal) would have won by 2636 votes (6%)
Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound: election spoiled by Joel Loughead (Green) and James Harris (NDP); Selwyn Hicks (Liberal) would have won by 2591 votes (6%)
Wellington-Halton Hills: election spoiled by Bronwynne Wilton (Green) and Simone Kent (NDP); Alex Hilson (Liberal) would have won by 3061 votes (6%)
Bay of Quinte: election spoiled by Amanda Robertson (NDP); David O’Neil (Liberal) would have won by 2629 votes (6%)
Mississauga-Erin Mills: election spoiled by Mubashir Rizvi (NDP); Qasir Dar (Liberal) would have won by 2067 votes (6%)
Thunder Bay-Atikokan: election spoiled by Stephen Margarit (Liberal); Judith Monteith-Farrell (NDP) would have won by 1436 votes (5%)
Willowdale: election spoiled by Boris Ivanov (NDP); Paul Saguil (Liberal) would have won by 1192 votes (4%)
Eglinton-Lawrence: election spoiled by Leah Tysoe (Green); Vince Gasparro (Liberal) would have won by 1223 votes (3%)
Milton: election spoiled by Katherine Cirlincione (NDP) and Susan Doyle (Green); Kristina Tesser Derksen (Liberal) would have won by 993 votes (2%)
Cambridge: election spoiled by Marjorie Knight (NDP); Rob Deutschmann (Liberal) would have won by 999 votes (2%)
Whitby: election spoiled by Jamie Nye (NDP) and Steven Toman (Green); Roger Gordon (Liberal) would have won by 1130 votes (2%)
Mississauga East-Cooksville: election spoiled by Alex Venuto (NDP); Bonnie Crombie (Liberal) would have won by 649 votes (2%)
Perth-Wellington: election spoiled by Jason Davis (NDP) and Ian Morton (Green); Ashley Fox (Liberal) would have won by 674 votes (2%)
Pickering-Uxbridge: election spoiled by Khalid Ahmed (NDP) and Mini Batra (Green); Ibrahim Daniyal (Liberal) would have won by 692 votes (2%)
Brantford-Brant: election spoiled by Ron Fox (Liberal) and Karleigh Csordas (Green); Harvey Bischof (NDP) would have won by 764 votes (1%)
Parry Sound-Muskoka: election spoiled by David Innes (Liberal); Matt Richter (Green) would have won by 451 votes (1%)
Mississauga-Lakeshore: election spoiled by Spencer Ki (NDP); Elizabeth Mendes (Liberal) would have won by 350 votes (1%)
Newmarket-Aurora: election spoiled by Denis Heng (NDP); Chris Ballard (Liberal) would have won by 329 votes (1%)
Mississauga Centre: election spoiled by Waseem Ahmed (NDP); Sumira Malik (Liberal) would have won by 216 votes (1%)
Etobicoke Centre: election spoiled by Giulia Volpe (NDP) and Brian Morris (Green); John Campbell (Liberal) would have won by 258 votes (1%)
Mississauga-Streetsville: election spoiled by Shoaib Khawar (NDP); Jill Promoli (Liberal) would have won by 183 votes
Scarborough-Rouge Park: election spoiled by Hibah Sidat (NDP) and Victoria Jewt (Green); Morris Beckford (Liberal) would have won by 115 votes
Algoma-Manitoulin: election spoiled by Reg Niganobe (Liberal); David Timeriski (NDP) would have won by 94 votes
Oakville: election spoiled by Diane Downey (NDP); Alison Gohel (Liberal) would have won by 2 votes
I’m not sure what evidence you are using to make this claim
I also disagree that everything else is too far. With PR, we are trying to satisfy a core tenet of democracy – that we are entitled and deserving of representation in government. And many countries, even the European Parliament, uses proportional representation!
If we truly live in a democracy, we are entitled to have all our votes towards the outcome of an election.
The only electoral system that can practically satisfy this criterion is proportional representation (a direct democracy is impractical). I wish there was some “easier” alternative to PR, but PR is the only way that we can ensure every vote counts.
Countries with PR arn’t doing as great as you think politically. Right wing governments have popped up everywhere. BAV plus smaller ridings solve most problems, such as vote splitting. Perfection is the enemy of getting it done.
That’s not the objective of PR anyway.
The goal of an electoral system is to obtain effective and proportionate representation. If you want to tackle right wingers, the appropriate venue would be in legislature or other democratic processes (e.g., conversations with peers).
This is not a true statement. Vote splitting exists in any configuration of BAV.
How is ensuring that every vote counts to the outcome of an election considered “perfection”? That’s literally just democracy.
The obstacle is not that PR is difficult to implement, but rather our elected officials prioritize party over country.
Our current Parliamentary system is hundred of years old, it survived much. Yes it needs fixing, but not a complete overhaul. I’m not a revolutionary, as most people aren’t. BAV fixes split votes, almost no change from how things are done now. No need for a whole new system if BAV fixes split votes.
Actually, thinking more about this, I can see how split votes are lessened under BAV. Even if the problem of split votes is no longer a problem, what about wasted votes? Under BAV, that is still certainly a problem – there will be votes that elect nobody.
I don’t agree that implementing PR is a complete overhaul. If we look at mixed-member proportional (MMP), we actually mostly have the existing structures in place, and would actually eliminate the bigger problem of wasted votes, unlike BAV.
Me neither, I just believe that in a democracy, every vote must count.
*every vote must count *
This is why we need smaller riding, about 30,000 in size. Not the 100,000 to 120,000 that we have now. In a 30 day election a candidate can knock on about a 1000 doors a day, a little under a hundred doors an hour, 12 hours a day. It’s important to talk to people, understand what they need and want. Few people vote today, because ridings are so big.
Voter apathy exists because the existing system (and BAV) wastes votes (i.e., votes that elect nobody). Only PR will resolve that.
You’re arguing against smaller ridings! Calm down, touch grass.
But your suggested BAV solution doesn’t actually address the core problem – that people feel disenfranchised by the electoral system.
Even in IRV where split votes are eliminated, we will still have wasted votes. Only PR will resolve that.