• Jode@midwest.social
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    1 hour ago

    Time for European countries to start canceling F35 contracts. That’ll get some attention.

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    I’m convinced these events will permanently change the role of the US in the world. I checked all of Germany’s major newspapers (progressive and conservative) and they all agree that Europe can’t rely on the US anymore and will have to fend for itself and/or find new partners. I don’t doubt it’s the same in other major European countries. This might well be the start of the end of US hegemony. I sure hope that whatever new world order we move into isn’t worse than the one we had, and that the changes go over without additional war.

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      We’re witnessing the collapse of the “American empire” similar to how the Roman empire or any other historical world power collapsed. These events will be in the history books for centuries to come.

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    Can somebody explain something to me?

    • Trump was trying to position himself as a peace broker between Ukraine and Russia. He wasn’t aligned with either side. He was “aligned with the world” in the pursuit of peace.
    • So what’s the purpose of the minerals deal? Ukraine give the mining rights to the US and in return the US… does what? Act as a peace broker?

    As soon as Trump distanced the US from Ukraine in that press gaggle, there was no reason for Zelensky to sign anything. If he was trading for US support then sure, but not for the US to be a neutral 3rd party.

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      Trump is a Russian asset. The point of the deal was to fall apart but allow Trump to save face and say “well you know I tried to offer him help but he refused it” and his followers will lap it up. 90% of them won’t watch any of meeting between he and Zelensky. And the 10% that do will only see a carefully curated cut on Fox new, Facebook, Twitter, or truth social.

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      In return US does nothing, that was the whole point of the deal. It was simple extortion scheme it didn’t pan out so trump acted as if Zelensky ate his dog.

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        Even when you’re being extorted you have a reason to pay the money. “Pay or people die”, but all Trump is saying is “Pay”.

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    I’m glad Europe is backing him.

    It was hugely ironic that Trump and Vance sat and told Zelensky how things are based on what they’ve watched on TV, cutting off his attempts to correct them and then called him disrespectful.

    It had the feeling of a pupil reporting to the headmasters office for punishment for fighting back against a bully. The headmaster didn’t need to hear his side of the story because violence is not the answer.

    I’m conscious that an analogy like this can appear insensitive and diminish the whole thing. Especially as Zelensky tried to say several times. “I’m not playing cards” when Trump made analogies about “you don’t have the cards right now.”

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      The key to understanding what’s happening right now is (imo):

      • Trump has a deep admiration for dictators, going back decades. This is well documented. Putin is a role model for the way he wants to govern (and see himself, actually).

      • Zelensky not complying with Trumps extortion to find dirt on Hunter Biden led to his first impeachment. Trump is seeking revenge for that. In fact he said publicly that he would seek revenge on all the people that wronged him (in his mind at least). He is out to punish his enemies and Zelensky is high on that list.

      Europe needs to realize that in the span of little over one month, the US turned from its most important ally to a hostile nation - and potentially an enemy.

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          We really need some good proper follow-up on that. Some hard proof but it’s really unsurprising if it’s true.

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          Fanboi or agent, the result is the same.

          (Personally, I think he’s both: an agent that’s so thoroughly snookered that he doesn’t even realize it, who is betraying America willingly in hopes senpai Putin will notice him.)

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      For Trump Zelensky was there to kiss the ring and be humiliated in light mental BDSM session to please Trumps kingly ego.

      I don’t think Zelensky was planning to sign anything, but was still there with a hope.

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    EU deserved that; they were licking the boots of the US, just like the UK.

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      Let’s not copy that fascist slogan, please.

      Europe does not need to become ‘great’ for its own sake, it needs to become a holdfast for peace, democracy and international cooperation in a world where the biggest superpower is sliding towards nationalist autocracy.

      There’s absolutely no sense stoking jingoism on our side only to end up with our own Trump 10 years down the road.