Also yes, imprisoning a civilian population in a location and then bombing that location is genocide. They are clearly and deliberately exterminating civilians. The fact that we didn’t remove all support the instant they started doing that is appalling.
Also before you even start with the whole “hamas is using the cavilians as human shields.” Yes, they are. But that doesn’t mean Israels solution of “kill them all and let god sort them out” is remotely acceptable.
“16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.”
And can you blame them for conflating zionists with jews, when the ethnostate that has been slaughtering and oppressing the Palestinian people has been trying to do precisely that for the past 70+ years, and is backed by the world superpower as they try to do so?
Hamas’s tactics aren’t much different from the Viet Cong’s; attacking villages, taking hostages, and using tunnels and guerilla warfare. These are simply the most effective methods of driving out an occupying entity, and wouldn’t be necessary if the colony wasn’t there in the first place.
Zionists, which they conflate with the Jewish people. It’s kind of splitting hairs. No?
First, see my previous comment regarding the current Hamas charter. And second, you do realize saying that separating Jewish people from zionists is like “splitting hairs” is anti-semetic right? And that’s literally what the israeli government wants people to do.
organization that wants the destruction of Israel.
Of course. “Israel” itself is a western colony in Palestine, and colonies have no right to exist. Its formation used common british colonization tactics [III], with companies literally named “Colonization Commission”, “Jewish Colonial Trust” and the like.
Theodor Herzl, founder of the colonial ideology he called “zionism”, was himself also just a racist colonizer by his own admission, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to ‘barbarians’ as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:
“We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]
That’s exactly what’s happening right now, all for US and European capitalist interests in the region, no matter how many people die in the process.
Zionist leaders fully acknowledged that Palestinian demographics were a core issue to the Zionist project, that the Palestinian population had to be removed at any cost, which is exactly what Israel did. What lead to the Palestinians being defenseless in this situation? Colonial Britain abetted the formation of heavily armed Zionist militias with soldiers numbering in the tens of thousands. The arms of Britain’s colonial military presence were inherited by the Zionist forces that it supported. All this while Britain summarily excecuted any Palestinian found in possession of a firearm.
This is not to mention the enthusiastic support of european antisemites for the Zionist project, or its strict early opposition by antifascist jews.
The idea that Israel has any right to exist on Palestinian land is a lie that has been so heavily proliferated, it has to be debunked when it should be paid no consideration at all.
From the PFLP’s 1969 Strategy For the Liberation of Palestine (very good read):
The Palestinian liberation movement is not a racial movement with aggressive intentions against the Jews. It is not directed against the Jews. Its object is to destroy the state of Israel as a military, political and economic establishment that rests on aggression, expansion and organic connection with imperialist interests in our homeland. It is against Zionism as an aggressive racial movement connected with imperialism, which has exploited the sufferings of the Jews as a stepping stone for the promotion of its interests and the interests of imperialism in this part of the world that possesses rich resources (the middle east and its oil) and provides a bridgehead into the countries of Africa and Asia.
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It’s surprising to me that there’s so much pandering to Hamas on this website, from a group of people who are generally vehemently opposed to religion, and especially religious extremism.
Because this is a lefty platform. We don’t like religions, but we’re not about to tell people that have been oppressed and killed for generations to not use it as an organizing and political tool to fight against colonialism and imperialism.
So their statement that they don’t want the destruction of the Jews, only the destruction of Zionism and Israel, is semantics.
A government is not the people, specially not when it’s the government of a colony.
What do you propose?
My opinion is the same as that of the PFLP’s book on the subject (again, great read, I suggest you go through it); until the inherently colonial and imperialist “state” of Israel is abolished, the oppression of the Palestinian people will not end.
The Palestinian liberation movement is not a racial movement with aggressive intentions against the Jews. It is not directed against the Jews. Its object is to destroy the state of Israel as a military, political and economic establishment that rests on aggression, expansion and organic connection with imperialist interests in our homeland. It is against Zionism as an aggressive racial movement connected with imperialism, which has exploited the sufferings of the Jews as a stepping stone for the promotion of its interests and the interests of imperialism in this part of the world that possesses rich resources and provides a bridgehead into the countries of Africa and Asia.
The aim of the Palestinian liberation movement is to establish a democratic national state in which both Arabs and Jews will live as citizens with equal rights and obligations and that will constitute an integral part of the progressive democratic Arab national presence living peacefully with all forces of progress in the world.
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This isn’t their first time occupying that region
That was 1400 years ago. You do realize this doesn’t at all justify colonialism in the modern day, right? By this logic, could Chinese Americans and Indian Americans return to China and India and lay claim to those countries?
Even the racist colonizer that founded zionism didn’t try to use that as justification, and admitted full well that this is just colonization, as per my previous comment.
I do agree that Israel should pull out of Palestine, but I don’t agree that that includes the entire territory of their whole nation.
Again, the entirety of Israel is an irredeemable fascist, imperialist ethnocolony founded on slaughtering natives, has been ethnically cleansing them throughout its entire existence, and is currently committing a genocide. Would you support the existence of Nazi Germany in any way, shape or form? Though it arguably does somewhat live on through modern Germany, seeing as how they’re also supporting the ongoing genocide.
Muslims, Jews, and Christians were already living in Palestine before Europe stated colonizing it. Decolonization of the region doesn’t necessarily have to mean the displacement of people already living in the colony. It would simply mean the removal of the fascist state and any control that the US and Europe have over it; as long as a separate government exists, these imperialist nations will exploit it. Again, referring to the PFLP:
The aim of the Palestinian liberation movement is to establish a democratic national state in which both Arabs and Jews will live as citizens with equal rights and obligations and that will constitute an integral part of the progressive democratic Arab national presence living peacefully with all forces of progress in the world.
You are partially right; the nation built on slavery and imperialism will indeed continue to support colonialism until its capitalist government is overthrown entirely, but an openly zionazi pos like Biden makes that support even worse, as we can already see with the ongoing genocide.
I’d be mad if reality was in staunch opposition to my narrative
Imagine being such a fucking loser that all you can think of in response to that is basically “nuh uh”. You could only come up with adding “Blah blah fucking blah” to that? What a child lmao
Are you shocked allies back each other?
Read the comment you’re replying to.
Did you make this same complaint before October 7th
Yes, as did anyone with half a braincell. Evidently you’re not one of them though.
Do you think I’m championing this behavior by stating facts?
Refer to the facts in the comment you’re replying to.
Yesssss, attack me personally with insults, I love it.
Your stance is so true and rock solid that you’re resorting to calling me names including (ironically, considering your behavior) calling me a child when your opinions gets any push back.
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To clear up my initial comment.
Also yes, imprisoning a civilian population in a location and then bombing that location is genocide. They are clearly and deliberately exterminating civilians. The fact that we didn’t remove all support the instant they started doing that is appalling.
Also before you even start with the whole “hamas is using the cavilians as human shields.” Yes, they are. But that doesn’t mean Israels solution of “kill them all and let god sort them out” is remotely acceptable.
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False under their 2017 Hamas charter:
“16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.”
And can you blame them for conflating zionists with jews, when the ethnostate that has been slaughtering and oppressing the Palestinian people has been trying to do precisely that for the past 70+ years, and is backed by the world superpower as they try to do so?
Hamas’s tactics aren’t much different from the Viet Cong’s; attacking villages, taking hostages, and using tunnels and guerilla warfare. These are simply the most effective methods of driving out an occupying entity, and wouldn’t be necessary if the colony wasn’t there in the first place.
They have also done a far better job at avoiding killing children than Israel. The final death toll from the Oct 7 attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli “civilians” (mostly unarmed IDF conscripts), 373 armed IDF members, 71 foreigners and 36 children. While Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians, 2/3 of whom are women and children.
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First, see my previous comment regarding the current Hamas charter. And second, you do realize saying that separating Jewish people from zionists is like “splitting hairs” is anti-semetic right? And that’s literally what the israeli government wants people to do.
Of course. “Israel” itself is a western colony in Palestine, and colonies have no right to exist. Its formation used common british colonization tactics [III], with companies literally named “Colonization Commission”, “Jewish Colonial Trust” and the like.
Theodor Herzl, founder of the colonial ideology he called “zionism”, was himself also just a racist colonizer by his own admission, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to ‘barbarians’ as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:
That’s exactly what’s happening right now, all for US and European capitalist interests in the region, no matter how many people die in the process.
Zionist leaders fully acknowledged that Palestinian demographics were a core issue to the Zionist project, that the Palestinian population had to be removed at any cost, which is exactly what Israel did. What lead to the Palestinians being defenseless in this situation? Colonial Britain abetted the formation of heavily armed Zionist militias with soldiers numbering in the tens of thousands. The arms of Britain’s colonial military presence were inherited by the Zionist forces that it supported. All this while Britain summarily excecuted any Palestinian found in possession of a firearm.
This is not to mention the enthusiastic support of european antisemites for the Zionist project, or its strict early opposition by antifascist jews.
The idea that Israel has any right to exist on Palestinian land is a lie that has been so heavily proliferated, it has to be debunked when it should be paid no consideration at all.
From the PFLP’s 1969 Strategy For the Liberation of Palestine (very good read):
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Because this is a lefty platform. We don’t like religions, but we’re not about to tell people that have been oppressed and killed for generations to not use it as an organizing and political tool to fight against colonialism and imperialism.
The Iranian Islamic revolution of 1979 overthrowing the US-backed monarchy was also deeply religious, and resulted in a drastically improved quality of life for everyone in the nation. Total literacy in Iran has also from 47% to 93% and female literacy has gone from 37% to 87%.
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A government is not the people, specially not when it’s the government of a colony.
My opinion is the same as that of the PFLP’s book on the subject (again, great read, I suggest you go through it); until the inherently colonial and imperialist “state” of Israel is abolished, the oppression of the Palestinian people will not end.
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That was 1400 years ago. You do realize this doesn’t at all justify colonialism in the modern day, right? By this logic, could Chinese Americans and Indian Americans return to China and India and lay claim to those countries?
Even the racist colonizer that founded zionism didn’t try to use that as justification, and admitted full well that this is just colonization, as per my previous comment.
Again, the entirety of Israel is an irredeemable fascist, imperialist ethnocolony founded on slaughtering natives, has been ethnically cleansing them throughout its entire existence, and is currently committing a genocide. Would you support the existence of Nazi Germany in any way, shape or form? Though it arguably does somewhat live on through modern Germany, seeing as how they’re also supporting the ongoing genocide.
Muslims, Jews, and Christians were already living in Palestine before Europe stated colonizing it. Decolonization of the region doesn’t necessarily have to mean the displacement of people already living in the colony. It would simply mean the removal of the fascist state and any control that the US and Europe have over it; as long as a separate government exists, these imperialist nations will exploit it. Again, referring to the PFLP:
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What a fucking disgusting comment
It’s almost like Israel and the US are strategic allies and would help each other no matter who the president was.
If you’re .ml I’m sure you’ll downvote this. I’d be mad if reality was in staunch opposition to my narrative too.
Is that why this zionist piece of shit went as far as to bypass congress so Israel could get its weapons to commit genocide faster?
You are partially right; the nation built on slavery and imperialism will indeed continue to support colonialism until its capitalist government is overthrown entirely, but an openly zionazi pos like Biden makes that support even worse, as we can already see with the ongoing genocide.
Ig you should indeed be mad then.
My narrative is as follows:
Blah blah fucking blah, america has always been an imperialist shit-hole. Slavery and nonsensical governing since the start. Are you shocked by this?
Are you shocked allies back each other? Did you make this same complaint before October 7th or are you just another bandwagon moral-elitist?
Do you think I’m championing this behavior by stating facts? You’re delusional mate.
Imagine being such a fucking loser that all you can think of in response to that is basically “nuh uh”. You could only come up with adding “Blah blah fucking blah” to that? What a child lmao
Read the comment you’re replying to.
Yes, as did anyone with half a braincell. Evidently you’re not one of them though.
Refer to the facts in the comment you’re replying to.
Yeah, you clearly are.
Yesssss, attack me personally with insults, I love it.
Your stance is so true and rock solid that you’re resorting to calling me names including (ironically, considering your behavior) calling me a child when your opinions gets any push back.
Typical.
Removed the “insults” that hurt you so much:
all you can think of in response to that is basically “nuh uh”. You could only come up with adding “Blah blah fucking blah” to that?
Read the comment you’re replying to.
Yes, as did anyone with half a braincell. Evidently you’re not one of them though.
Refer to the facts in the comment you’re replying to.
Yeah, you clearly are.
Wait I thought I said I love the insults. Your mask slipped LMAO.