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Opposition to abortion isn’t all about sanctity-of-life concerns, and instead may be at least partly about discouraging casual sex.

The Middle Ages of Europe, before 1776 revolution, were all about the ruling of sex lives and who could marry who. George Lucas hosted and filmed a key interview at Skywalker Ranch.

 

FORMER WHITE HOUSE DIRECTOR BILL MOYERS: What did you mean when you wrote that the beginning of romantic love in the West was “libido over credo”?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Well, the credo says “I believe,” and I believe not only in the laws, but I believe that these laws were instituted by God, and there’s no arguing with God. These laws are a heavy weight on me, and disobeying these is sin and has to do with my eternal character.

BILL MOYERS: That’s the credo?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: That’s the credo. You believe, and then you go to confession, and you run down through the list of sins, and you count yourself against those, and instead of going into the priest and saying, “Bless me, father, for I have been great this week,” you meditate on the sins, and in meditating on the sins, then you really become a sinner in your life. It’s a condemnation, actually, of the will to life, that’s what the credo is.

BILL MOYERS: And libido?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: The libido is the impulse to life. It comes from the heart.

BILL MOYERS: And the heart is—

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: —the heart is the organ of opening up to somebody else. That’s the human quality as opposed to the animal qualities, which have to do with self-interest.

BILL MOYERS: So you’re talking about romantic love as opposed to lust, or passion, or a general religious sentiment?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Yes. You know, the usual marriage in traditional cultures was arranged for by the families. It wasn’t a person-to-person decision at all. In India to this day, you have columns in the newspapers of advertisements for wives that are put in by marriage brokers. I remember, in one family that I knew there, the daughter was going to marry. She had never seen the young man she was going to marry, and she would ask her brothers, “Is he tall? Is he dark? Is he light? What?”

In the Middle Ages, that was the kind of marriage that was sanctified by the Church. And so the troubadour idea of real person-to-person Amor was very dangerous.

BILL MOYERS: Because it was heresy?

Age 83, JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Not only heresy, it was adultery, what might be called spiritual adultery. Since the marriages were all arranged by society, the love that came from the meeting of the eyes was of a higher spiritual value.

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    22 hours ago

    So, as usual, it’s about stripping away any semblance of agency and joy and keeping humans chained to hierarchy. Trite as it is, “the cruelty is the point.”

    Can’t keep people in the death cult if they enjoy living 🤡