• realitista@lemm.eeOPEnglish
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    9 days ago

    One of the things I was looking for here was some evidence of tampering. Ie, some states moving much further towards the R’s than others, etc.

    Florida is the only one that looks a bit sus to me, and I wouldn’t at all doubt foul play there.

    The one definite trend is towards less voting over all. Whether that’s the candidates, voter disenfranchisement, or rigging can be debated. But I would think that if it were foul play we would see it more pronounced in some states than others.

    Anyhow, data is data, make of it what you like.

    • Hugin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 days ago

      As someone who has lived in Florida my whole life there has been a massive influx of republicans in the last 10 years.

    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 days ago

      How can we validate who we vote for after the fact?

      Have you personally met anyone that voted for Trump, and then Democrats down ballot?

      These are real questions, not gotchas, btw. These are the things eating away at me.

      • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 days ago

        I know what article you’re referring to, and it was bullshit. Bullet ballots and all sounded great, believable. Evidence with easily verifiable numbers.

        But when I went to verify those numbers with actual election results, they were all bullshit. Swing states did not have the bullet ballots numbers he claimed. There was no big discrepancy between swing states and the states next to them.

        • surewhynotlem@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 days ago

          There’s great to hear, but I’m still rather lost on why nc has a Democrat governor then. Do you still have your analysis handy? I’d love to see the details. I wasn’t able to figure it out myself :-/

          • jj4211@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            9 days ago

            The governor is easy to explain, the Republican candidate was never well liked, and then it came out that he specifically called himself a black Nazi and the Republican party threw him under the bus.

            The lieutenant governor and attorney general remain odd, but that’s NC for you. They sometimes just vote Democrat for statewide State races and then vote republican federal.

            I suppose the counter question would be if they were manipulating the votes directly, why not also rig the down ballot election?

              • jj4211@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                9 days ago

                While that’s true, even Trump will throw a few hollow words in support of other Republicans and declare himself a Republican and knows the result is his life is easier with Republicans victories.

                In a hypothetical cheating scenario, it’s not like Trump directly did the cheating, some broad conspiracy across multiple states would require a number of players, coordinated since the “evidence” is similar dropoff across many states. Any such conspiracy would doubtless recognize the strategic value of allies also winning, even if they didn’t care about the allies directly. Such a conspiracy would be keyed into the same sentiment that wants to do everything they can to install conservative loyalists across the executive and judicial branches as quickly as they can. There’s no way such a conspiracy would neglect legislators and state governments if they had given themselves that opportunity.

                The drop offs could be explained much more simply that MAGA is only about Trump and not about Republicans. If Trump only cares about Trump, the same can be said if his followers. Most of them will vote R as long as they are filling out a ballot anyway, but they barely even show up for Trump loyalists in the midterms. So it’s quite reasonable to expect a bunch of Trump people to just go in for the one thing they care about and ignore the rest.

          • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            9 days ago

            Here is the bullshit article (that sounds good).

            https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

            One of the claims is

            North Carolina is the most extreme.  The public results indicate over 350K voters cast a ballot for Trump and no other race making up over 11% of Trump’s voters in NC drop off votes or bullet ballots.

            https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/north-carolina/?r=0

            Donald Trump: 2,898,423
            Kamala Harris: 2,715,375
            Jill Stein + Chase Oliver: 47,000
            Total: 5,660,798 roughly

            Governor: 3.069m + 2.241m + 280742 = 5.60 million

            That’s not a difference of 350k.

    • Match!!@pawb.socialEnglish
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      9 days ago

      wait, actually, i just commented this on another post: all the swing states, the ones crossing the diagonal, have a wildly different trajectory than either the solid blue states or solid red states. the swing states go right and not down (WI goes right and up??) and everyone else drops down. aren’t those the states we would expect foul play in?

      • realitista@lemm.eeOPEnglish
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        9 days ago

        Good point. Now that you mention it, I see it. Far smaller drop in voting in the swing states that Trump won. Even one anomalous increase.

        • kingofras@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 days ago

          Once you look at the data up close you can see how they attempted the skewing in 2020, but didn’t go aggressive enough, and this time they went full throttle.

          If you consider the USA has the mightiest military and is (for some bizarre reason) still the world reserve currency with the petrodollar, then it really was only a matter of time before some foreign entity figured out how to do this.

          USA democracy was finished at the Citizens United point, but it limped on till November last year.

          There will be more elections and they will not be as rigged to keep the appearance up, but the executive branch is done. Very likely Musk runs in 28 and algorithmically wins in a landslide.

          That is, if they’re able to prevent most polling places from burning down or flooding or blowing away.