Jalon Hall was featured on Google’s corporate social media accounts “for making #LifeAtGoogle more inclusive!” She says the company discriminated against her on the basis of her disability and race.
You’re not taking advantage of google to expect your rights under U.S. law to be upheld, and you have both an ethical and legal ground to complain about it.
Your argument boils down to:
Google illegally and unethically discriminates against people from certain backgrounds.
We all know about it.
So if you get a job with a company that we know discriminates illegally, and then you make a fuss about it, you’re being unethical.
You seemed to have missed my comment about naivety. If you don’t expect to be taken advantage of, you’re naive, not unethical. Life has lots of lessons to teach you. If you do know Google is unethical and you choose to go there and you choose to rightfully respond to Google breaking the law, that’s unethical. It’s right, sure, but it’s unethical. You know you’re going to sue them. That shouldn’t be the basis for making an employment decision. Again, totally the right thing to do, just a very greedy approach to everything.
As for your other comment, if money were the only factor in selecting a job, you would leave your job the second you were offered a cent more. If that’s how you work, that’s different from most other folks, who tend to consider a variety of factors. Changing jobs is a lot of work so there’s a minimum threshold. The company itself is also a huge factor that will change that threshold. What about a job that requires you to work 24/7?
Disabled people aren’t naive. We know we are going to encounter employment discrimination in every job we take. We still need to work, and if we cannot persuade an employer to act legally by the normal means (which in a non-union U.S. job is usually escalating from manager, to HR, to legal and public relations threats) then we will have to follow through with PR and legal battles. That is not unethical, and I honestly struggle to understand how you wrote those words.
Jalon Hall is a Black disabled woman. There is a zero percent chance that she was naive about her odds of facing discrimination in the workplace. She knew perfectly well that she was going to face discrimination in the workplace. By your rule, her only two choices are “remain unemployed and starve” or “go work somewhere and be discriminated against in silence.”
Wow, I wasn’t aware that every employer in the world actively discriminated as much as Google does. I had no idea because there’s zero news coverage that you have zero options. You should get the word out!
If you are unaware that disabled employees face employment discrimination in every job, and that a disabled Black woman knows that she will face at least some discrimination in every job, and that Google – bad as they are – is not even on the same planet as “the worst”, then there is no word that will reach you, my smoking friend.
Good luck with all your lawsuits. You must be really rich by now what with literally no allies and no employers ever trying to do the right thing. No wonder you support FAANG companies!
I’ve heard lots of MAMAMA variants but, apparently, per wikipedia, the motley fool suggested “Microsoft, Apple, Netflix, Alphabet, Meta, Amazon, Nvidia, and Adobe” and now, for the first time in my life, I think the motley fool said something great.
You’re not taking advantage of google to expect your rights under U.S. law to be upheld, and you have both an ethical and legal ground to complain about it.
Your argument boils down to:
Google illegally and unethically discriminates against people from certain backgrounds.
We all know about it.
So if you get a job with a company that we know discriminates illegally, and then you make a fuss about it, you’re being unethical.
That’s not how any of this works.
You seemed to have missed my comment about naivety. If you don’t expect to be taken advantage of, you’re naive, not unethical. Life has lots of lessons to teach you. If you do know Google is unethical and you choose to go there and you choose to rightfully respond to Google breaking the law, that’s unethical. It’s right, sure, but it’s unethical. You know you’re going to sue them. That shouldn’t be the basis for making an employment decision. Again, totally the right thing to do, just a very greedy approach to everything.
As for your other comment, if money were the only factor in selecting a job, you would leave your job the second you were offered a cent more. If that’s how you work, that’s different from most other folks, who tend to consider a variety of factors. Changing jobs is a lot of work so there’s a minimum threshold. The company itself is also a huge factor that will change that threshold. What about a job that requires you to work 24/7?
Disabled people aren’t naive. We know we are going to encounter employment discrimination in every job we take. We still need to work, and if we cannot persuade an employer to act legally by the normal means (which in a non-union U.S. job is usually escalating from manager, to HR, to legal and public relations threats) then we will have to follow through with PR and legal battles. That is not unethical, and I honestly struggle to understand how you wrote those words.
Jalon Hall is a Black disabled woman. There is a zero percent chance that she was naive about her odds of facing discrimination in the workplace. She knew perfectly well that she was going to face discrimination in the workplace. By your rule, her only two choices are “remain unemployed and starve” or “go work somewhere and be discriminated against in silence.”
Wow, I wasn’t aware that every employer in the world actively discriminated as much as Google does. I had no idea because there’s zero news coverage that you have zero options. You should get the word out!
If you are unaware that disabled employees face employment discrimination in every job, and that a disabled Black woman knows that she will face at least some discrimination in every job, and that Google – bad as they are – is not even on the same planet as “the worst”, then there is no word that will reach you, my smoking friend.
Good luck with all your lawsuits. You must be really rich by now what with literally no allies and no employers ever trying to do the right thing. No wonder you support FAANG companies!
christ fucking stop with the dumbass posts that look like they came from the orange site, we don’t want them here
Winning accessibility lawsuits is almost unheard of, although the NFB has clocked some impressive settlements, most notably against Target.
I don’t support FAANG companies, and have told recruiters from Google to yeet themselves into the sun multiple times.
FAANG? What is this, 2021? Lol Netflix.
Well if you drop Netflix from the acronym it kinda becomes a slur.
I’m just happy “MANGA” didn’t catch on. Japanese comics don’t deserve to ve associated with giant tech corps.
I’ve heard lots of MAMAMA variants but, apparently, per wikipedia, the motley fool suggested “Microsoft, Apple, Netflix, Alphabet, Meta, Amazon, Nvidia, and Adobe” and now, for the first time in my life, I think the motley fool said something great.
“The only reason I can understand to go work at them is money”
Well, yes. That’s why all of us work anywhere.