• axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Fuck off with this both sides angle. Are you trying to say a liberated Palestine would also commit genocide? Fucking hasbara. This is the real world, not some “what if.” A liberated Palestine does not mean genocide of Jews, it means a liberated Palestine.

      • huf [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        This is just standard white supremacist logic. They always say if we stop doing genocide, they’ll do it to us. Hasn’t happened yet.

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      The people who committed the Armenian genocide were secularist nationalists acting during a time of Ottoman weakness.

      This is what two Jewish sources one historical and one modern had to say about the Muslim Conquest of the Levant:

      In 638 CE the Byzantine Empire lost control of the Levant. The Arab Islamic Empire under Caliph Omar conquered Jerusalem and the lands of Mesopotamia, Syria, Palestine and Egypt. As a political system, Islam created radically new conditions for Jewish economic, social, and intellectual development.[132] Caliph Omar permitted the Jews to reestablish their presence in Jerusalem–after a lapse of 500 years.[133] Jewish tradition regards Caliph Omar as a benevolent ruler and the Midrash (Nistarot de-Rav Shimon bar Yoḥai) refers to him as a “friend of Israel”.[133]

      Above quote is from Wikipedia, here’s an article about it: https://www.academia.edu/5768249/Nistarot_Rabbi_Shimon_b_Yohai

      And next is a quote from Ben-Gurion himself:

      “The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century CE. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations the Arabs did not engage in farming…their whole interest in the new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam, and to collect taxes…the Jewish farmer, like any other farmer, was not easily torn from his soil…Despite the repression and suffering the rural population remained unchanged.” [7

      An interesting post about the indigeneity of Palestinians reviewing a book by Israeli historian Shlomo Sand https://blogs.umb.edu/joinercenter/2012/10/09/review-of-shlomo-sand-the-invention-of-the-jewish-people-london-verso-2009-translated-by-yael-lotan/

      The comment I replied to is both-siding genocide. I am keeping it because it gave me a chance to share relevant historical information. Additionally, it is worth mentioning that while the Torah condones genocide (story of Amalek), the Quran doesn’t. Of course there has been brutal Muslim leaders and their brutality extended to Muslim religious leaders and scholars, as is typical with any government unfortunately.

    • FuckyWucky [none/use name]@hexbear.netM
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      We aren’t living in history, we live in the present.

      True, nutjobs exist across all religions. However, in the present moment, only Israel has international status unlike any other reactionary groups.