So, did you bring this up as a problem where a solution should occur, or just asking to feel sorry for them? To the person experiencing violence, sure, we could recommend therapy, or be empathetic, but if we do nothing to address the root cause it won’t stop it at best,and at worst we start victim blaming.
This post is more about the cause not wanting to understand they’re the issue, and you brought in another issue caused by the same toxic masculinity, then got defensive when that was pointed out.
To want empathy for your problems is natural. If you just want empathy and not a solution, there is a time and place for that too. However what you are doing here is either trying to derail the conversation, or making it about something that wasn’t the original convo(usually done by someone making it about themselves, but I don’t know you enough to make that specific of an accusation).
If you want to fight for mens rights and proper treatment, that’s wonderful. However doing it by attacking/derailing women complaining about the same issues is not. It’s closer to when women’s suffrage movement wanted only freedom for white women.
and you brought in another issue caused by the same toxic masculinity
To be clear, someone else did.
The fact that someone answered to “actually males are more likely to experience violence” with “eh, but go look who does that violence” prompted my comment.
And it almost sounds like somehow the focus switched from the victim to the cause, when the victims are men.
This is the cause why I decided to comment. Almost like violence and protection of who experiences matters depending on who is experiencing it, as if there would be any difference from a woman or a man experiencing violence, whether it is from a man or a woman.
However what you are doing here is either trying to derail the conversation, or making it about something that wasn’t the original convo
If this is your argument, it is a weak one, because I specifically commented in a child thread about this very topic, in response to a very dismissive comment (from my POV). There is no conversation that I am hijacking nor it was me who brought up violence on men on the first place.
However doing it by attacking/derailing women complaining about the same issues is not
I’d like to make a longer response but something here at work blew up, so I’ll just say fair. I don’t completely agree that there wasn’t some sort of derailing, but you weren’t the one who did it, and it can be argued the top level comment was the reason for it anyway.
So, did you bring this up as a problem where a solution should occur, or just asking to feel sorry for them? To the person experiencing violence, sure, we could recommend therapy, or be empathetic, but if we do nothing to address the root cause it won’t stop it at best,and at worst we start victim blaming.
This post is more about the cause not wanting to understand they’re the issue, and you brought in another issue caused by the same toxic masculinity, then got defensive when that was pointed out.
To want empathy for your problems is natural. If you just want empathy and not a solution, there is a time and place for that too. However what you are doing here is either trying to derail the conversation, or making it about something that wasn’t the original convo(usually done by someone making it about themselves, but I don’t know you enough to make that specific of an accusation).
If you want to fight for mens rights and proper treatment, that’s wonderful. However doing it by attacking/derailing women complaining about the same issues is not. It’s closer to when women’s suffrage movement wanted only freedom for white women.
To be clear, someone else did.
The fact that someone answered to “actually males are more likely to experience violence” with “eh, but go look who does that violence” prompted my comment.
And it almost sounds like somehow the focus switched from the victim to the cause, when the victims are men. This is the cause why I decided to comment. Almost like violence and protection of who experiences matters depending on who is experiencing it, as if there would be any difference from a woman or a man experiencing violence, whether it is from a man or a woman.
If this is your argument, it is a weak one, because I specifically commented in a child thread about this very topic, in response to a very dismissive comment (from my POV). There is no conversation that I am hijacking nor it was me who brought up violence on men on the first place.
Thankfully neither happened.
I’d like to make a longer response but something here at work blew up, so I’ll just say fair. I don’t completely agree that there wasn’t some sort of derailing, but you weren’t the one who did it, and it can be argued the top level comment was the reason for it anyway.