I mean, did they explicitly show memory after the genes were passed… that couldn’t be explained from the new offspring’s perspective?
Your grandma has your mother at 20 years old, therefore your grandmother’s perspective ends there. Your mother now sees your grandma’s life and can pass on the experience of your grandma to you, as well as her perspective until she had you. Now you see your mother and grandmother in real life and their memories within you continue to evolve and grow stronger. No?
I mean yeah, genetic memory would kinda suck for the purpose they have in those books, you would just see a million years of childhoods and youths. Alia would probably organised the craziest parties in empire though.
that couldn’t be explained from the new offspring’s perspective?
Not really, they mentioned memories of death, so assuming most people do not get concieved after the death of their parents (specifically mothers in case of BG) means those aren’t really genetic memories but just magic.
I think, now I’ve read the original books something like a dozen times over the years, but it’s probably been a half decade since the last time that happened, that they also can share moments in ‘group consciousness’. When Jessica changes the water for the Fremen and they all get drunk on it, which should be a moment in this movie but I haven’t seen it yet (I have tickets for tonight, no spoilers), they’re able to feel each other’s minds much like the BG can feel the genetic memories that are consciousnesses within them. And in the books I feel like I recall they mentioned that this is when the older tribal shaman dies, and they feel her death here, and her consciousness then lives on within Jessica.
It has been years since I’ve read them and this part, but if that’s the case then it can also be explained this way. The water that they use to do the test, at least for the Fremen, also allows/allowed them a brief telepathy that allowed them to the shamans of the Fremen to pass on/download their consciousness into the next shaman, much like the BG but even more powerfully.
Then again, the movies may go a different route and I may be off by a bit. 🤷♂️
When Jessica changes the water for the Fremen and they all get drunk on it, which should be a moment in this movie
No, spice orgy is one of the many scenes from books that got cut out in the movie. Interestingly, i noticed that Verhoeven read the book very throughly, but the book he read was apparently Messiah and Children, since a lot of scenes and few important characters are cut off, but there is A LOT of things that should be in the 1st book considering what happened in the books 2 and 3, but weren’t since Frank Herbert did not plan the books, just wrote on the moment for the most time. Paul in the new movie very often sounds much more like the Preacher from Children of Dune than like Paul from 1st book.
they’re able to feel each other’s minds much like the BG can feel the genetic memories that are consciousnesses within them
Some people can predict the future there so why not limited telepathy
And in the books I feel like I recall they mentioned that this is when the older tribal shaman dies, and they feel her death here, and her consciousness then lives on within Jessica.
Yes, that is explained more in books 5 and 6. This was done by the Fremen, and then spread to BG when they started to use the water of life, but that require conscious effort of real Reverend Mother, and i meant the old non-RM memories. Also it would still not included death in most cases since it was done before every time.
Then again, the movies may go a different route and I may be off by a bit. 🤷♂️
In case of Ramallo scene the movie was exactly like the book.
I mean, did they explicitly show memory after the genes were passed… that couldn’t be explained from the new offspring’s perspective?
Your grandma has your mother at 20 years old, therefore your grandmother’s perspective ends there. Your mother now sees your grandma’s life and can pass on the experience of your grandma to you, as well as her perspective until she had you. Now you see your mother and grandmother in real life and their memories within you continue to evolve and grow stronger. No?
I mean yeah, genetic memory would kinda suck for the purpose they have in those books, you would just see a million years of childhoods and youths. Alia would probably organised the craziest parties in empire though.
Not really, they mentioned memories of death, so assuming most people do not get concieved after the death of their parents (specifically mothers in case of BG) means those aren’t really genetic memories but just magic.
I think, now I’ve read the original books something like a dozen times over the years, but it’s probably been a half decade since the last time that happened, that they also can share moments in ‘group consciousness’. When Jessica changes the water for the Fremen and they all get drunk on it, which should be a moment in this movie but I haven’t seen it yet (I have tickets for tonight, no spoilers), they’re able to feel each other’s minds much like the BG can feel the genetic memories that are consciousnesses within them. And in the books I feel like I recall they mentioned that this is when the older tribal shaman dies, and they feel her death here, and her consciousness then lives on within Jessica.
It has been years since I’ve read them and this part, but if that’s the case then it can also be explained this way. The water that they use to do the test, at least for the Fremen, also allows/allowed them a brief telepathy that allowed them to the shamans of the Fremen to pass on/download their consciousness into the next shaman, much like the BG but even more powerfully.
Then again, the movies may go a different route and I may be off by a bit. 🤷♂️
No, spice orgy is one of the many scenes from books that got cut out in the movie. Interestingly, i noticed that Verhoeven read the book very throughly, but the book he read was apparently Messiah and Children, since a lot of scenes and few important characters are cut off, but there is A LOT of things that should be in the 1st book considering what happened in the books 2 and 3, but weren’t since Frank Herbert did not plan the books, just wrote on the moment for the most time. Paul in the new movie very often sounds much more like the Preacher from Children of Dune than like Paul from 1st book.
Some people can predict the future there so why not limited telepathy
Yes, that is explained more in books 5 and 6. This was done by the Fremen, and then spread to BG when they started to use the water of life, but that require conscious effort of real Reverend Mother, and i meant the old non-RM memories. Also it would still not included death in most cases since it was done before every time.
In case of Ramallo scene the movie was exactly like the book.