• REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml
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      You know that this is technically a declaration of war from NATO towards Russia. In the case of such an event Russia already stated its answer would be nuclear.

      The very real threat of nuclear war is not “nice”, you imbecile.

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        Awesome! I’d love to see him try, I don’t care what you think, I think we could do with some annihilation, especially on the communist side

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          fascists like you are often compared to cockroaches, but you have nowhere near the radiation resistance they do, I guarantee it. You’ll probably be among the first to puke your liquefied lungs out, and we will be there to laugh at you when you do.

  • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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    I have some thoughts, some scepticism, some questions. First, some quotes from the article:

    Ukraine has not claimed responsibility for the strikes.

    …the Estonian government has firmly denied the claims.

    …the closest distance between the Russian city and Ukraine is about 310 miles. This would have required the drone to fly through the airspace of Belarus. Avoiding Belarusian airspace could extend the journey to 700 miles or 435 miles, depending on the route.

    However, Ukrainian drones are reportedly able to fly to distances up to and beyond this.

    …reports suggested Ukrainian “Beaver” drones could have been behind attacks on Moscow, which are believed to have a range in excess of 620 miles.

    In June, a spokesperson for Ukrainian state arms producer Ukroboronprom also posted on Facebook that it had successfully tested a drone with a range of 1,000 kilometers (620 miles).

    Russia blamed Ukraine for other drone attacks overnight, which caused authorities to close the airspace over the Moscow and neighboring Tula oblasts.

    I wouldn’t be so sure that Estonia launched these attacks. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that Ukraine (with US support) ‘secretly’ launched the drones from Estonia. Although it would apparently be possible to launch those drones from Ukraine.

    It’s in some Ukrainians’ interest to find a way to get NATO more deeply involved before the hints that NATO is losing interest become more explicit, vocal, and practical. But I can’t see how it would be in NATO’s interest to let Estonia get involved like this because it would drag the whole of NATO into it. If NATO gets directly involved, the whole of NATO is fair game. Are we to believe that:

    1. The US thinks Estonia could attack Russia and that Russia would only retaliate against Estonia?
    2. If (1) were true and Russia would only retaliate against Estonia that Estonia would be stupid enough to sacrifice itself for the rest of NATO? After watching what Russia has done to Ukraine? I know libs are oblibious, but…

    One possibility is that someone in Ukraine ‘persuaded’ someone in Estonia to make this happen or allow it to happen. Considering how corrupt all capitalists are, this is not unimaginable.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that whoever did this was behind blowing up Nordstream II.

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      The point is if the Ukrainians drones could travel so far in a swarm it could have been detected in belarus or in Russia and could have been shot down there. I mean how come a large number of drones attack could be carried out in Pskov without any major detection on its path.

      -The US thinks Estonia could attack Russia and that Russia would only retaliate against Estonia? …I mean why not ? Biden administration has sent F-16s which seemed crazy in 2022.

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        It’s remarkably easy to forget that the logic of capital leads people to make some questionable decisions.

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      If (1) were true and Russia would only retaliate against Estonia that Estonia would be stupid enough to sacrifice itself for the rest of NATO? After watching what Russia has done to Ukraine? I know libs are oblibious, but…

      To be fair, a lot of US and NATO military commanders are pissed that the Ukrainians are “afraid of casualties.” So it wouldn’t be a surprise if the yankees didn’t genuinely believe the Estonians would be willing to die for NATO.

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        I wonder whether the yanks have decided it’s too dangerous for them to fuck with China, so they’re pivoting towards Europe, where Estonia is another potential sacrificial lamb.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
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      It’s not out of realm of possibility, and it would be a serious provocation of that’s the case. That said, this obviously doesn’t change anything strategically, and I expect Russia will likely just ignore this. It’s pretty clear that Russia has been dictating the pace of the war for a while now, and the fact that they haven’t escalated yet indicates that they’re content with the current state of things.

      I imagine that Russia would prefer avoiding a direct conflict with NATO, and the war with the west is relegated to economic and geopolitical spheres instead. However, if Estonia is responsible for the strike that would indicate that at least some western countries are trying to provoke further escalation.

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    These fucking Baltic countries won’t stop until they get us into a war with Russia. Congrats to the libs for destroying the Soviet Union, such prosperity that the world is experiencing right now.

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      USSR destroyed itself , liberal ideas crept into CPSU long time back and they didn’t have nationalism like in China and Russia . Middle class hated everything in USSR.