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Neither should be popular. Ppl should be suspicious of both.
China is authoritarian, but if you look only at the material conditions for democracy like prosperity, peace, education they are better than the US. People fundamentally want to exist and raise families in peace without constant terror, confusion and economic hardship. That is because even they are authoritarian, they can still “afford” to have pro-human or pro-national ideology. In the neoliberal countries choosing that over profit gets you fired or sidelined.
The US is more authoritarian, if anything, especially if you live in a country that’s been on the receiving end of its foreign policy.
Being authoritarian is exactly what makes them good. When media talks about China authoritarianism, they’re talking from the perspective of capitalists, not average people. Capitalists hold no political power in China and that’s why western media it’s upset, because they can’t influence their policy through money.
if I’m from, say, Ghana, I’m judging China based on how China affects Ghanaian people, not on how China affects Chinese people
Have you been to China?
I haven’t. Please elaborate.
The Chinese people do not exist in a state of peace with the CCP that is one of the many reasons why there has been a rush of Chinese citizens leaving the country. The pandemic really exposed to the world how destructive and nefarious the CCP is. First they denied it started in China, followed by a weak attempt to blame foreigners for covid-19. And ended with the CCP welding peope into their homes, allowing citizens to literally starve to death.
While the Chinese government pushes a very nationalistic message, It really isn’t pro-human in the slightest. The CCP top brass has been content to exploit the poverty of its populace in order to enrich themselves.
The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.
Your reply falls in line with my beliefs. Does anyone else reading this have any rebuke?
Least delusional western man right here 😂 yea, the “CCP” is evil for being the most successful nation in dealing with the covid pandemic while good ol’ free murica had 10x deaths with 5x less population.
You are either very naive or very dishonest if you think that the CCP handled the pandemic well. It was their incompetence, tallied with their dishonesty that caused the spread to begin with.
Aight, now you’re blaming China for the incompetence of others, at the same time you flirt about China being an authoritarian dystopia while also saying that they being too lax allowed a novel virus to spread, even if that were the case, how does this explain the massive difference in deaths between China and the US? What does it even matter where the virus came from if your country was unable to deal with it? Viruses do not have ideology or allegiances, they work exactly the same in China, the US or in Lesotho.
You really don’t know what’s happening in China unless you speak to people who live there or have immigrated recently. Believing the lies put out there by the CCP is not doing anybody any good. They’ve already witnessed the collapse of their real estate sector, the banking sector in China lurches from crisis to crisis, on any given day you will see another video of bank customers pleading for their money to be returned to them en masse. And now we have a crisis in the manufacturing sector, workers are being laid off and those left employed are seeing their wages cut if they get paid at all.
Aight gordon chang, china is on the verge of collapse!
Why should i be sad for foreign bondholders losing their investments? they’ve should’ve known better than having their savings on risky endeavors. This is explicitly the investors fault and the businesses fault, not the CPC, why should the CPC refund foreign investors with taxpayers money? It’s great that the bubble popped and the gov didn’t save investors, a clear example that in China you just can’t fail upwards like in the US, foreign investors can cry crocodile tears all they want they ain’t getting a penny. I can tell you parrot mainstream media coverage on this because of your uncritical support for investors.
And now we have a crisis in the manufacturing sector, workers are being laid off and those left employed are seeing their wages cut if they get paid at all.
Wait, you’re blaming the “crisis in manufacturing” on China when it is the US the one causing a global trade war? Also, businesses going out of business is not automatically bad, it’s fairly common everywhere. Inefficient businesses go out of business, it’s as simple as that. Should the CPC be rescuing these businesses so westerners feel good about it?
And as a matter of fact, i speak with regular working class Chinese people that live on China on a weekly basis, most don’t even care about the goverment, in my experience 90% of their talk is about doing business, the rest is about food, meanwhile westerners think the average chinese is fettered doing farm work lmao.
Where did I express sympathy for bond holders or claim that the collapse in the manufacturing was caused by one party?
It’s like comparing diarrhea to poop.
Thanks Trump.
Rivals, opponents, enemies… A traitor trumps them all.
That’s a low bar to cross
One of these states hasn’t been in a foreign conflict in 45 years, the other drops 45 bombs a day
The fact that it’s taken this long to cross shows you the power of cultural dominance in distorting objective reality(and that polls methodology can be manipulated to basically make any point those running it want)
They have killed plenty of their own citizens.
They aren’t US level of bad in terms of indiscriminate bombings, but they had military conflicts with Vietnam as recently as 1988, they have regular skirmishes with India and basically everyone that shares a sea border with them. They were also part of the UN force in Mali.
They were also part of the UN force in Mali.
When you have to resort to stuff like this to criticize a country’s foreign policy, you don’t have much to go on.
1988 was 37 years ago. How many bombs has the US dropped since then?
Certainly much much more than 1988 bombs.
Being involved in a foreign conflict is pretty unlikely to be a deciding factor.
It’s taken this long because the US’s human rights violations haven’t been as bad as China’s, and we used to be good trading partners.
It’s taken this long because the US’s human rights violations haven’t been as bad as China’s
No, they’ve been worse: more people killed, more people imprisoned, more people abused, the US has been objectively worse.
explain to me how Iraq invasion is a less worse human rights violation than whatever China has done?
I never said the US was good. Stop using logical fallacies.
Amazing real time motte and bailey.
Right but you’re saying that China’s rights abuses have been worse than the US’s, do you have any facts that support that position?
can you even read? lmao
I suppose it’s up to your defintion of ‘deciding factor’ but to think the US’s invasions of sovereign countries resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilians deaths over the past few decades and support for ongoing genocide isn’t tiping the scales is misguided at best
It’s taken this long because the US’s human rights violations haven’t been as bad as China’s
source? I’ve never seen reliable evidence(outside of easily disproven Zenz’s inventions) that China’s rights abuses match those committed by the US in Guantaumo, Abu Graib etc in scale and severity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/29/abu-zubaydah-cia-torture-waterboarding-guantanamo
Oh shit, I didn’t see your instance. This is a pointless conversation.
When you know you’re wrong but you’re to stubborn to admit it.
Maybe too propagandized.
Stop harassing me
jfc stop evading, provide a source for your claims or admit you were wrong
That was a different user? I’m a different user too. I’m sorry you’re getting dogpiled but you should expect people to call you out when you say inflammatory false statements as a matter of fact.
Incredibly soft
So no source?
Facts(UN investigations, photo and video evidence, I can provide sources on request) show that the US has committed far worse rights abuses than china(sexual assault at Abu Ghraib, extreme torture at both and murder and Guantanamo and numerous black-sites, extraordinary rendition etc)
This proves my point about US cultural dominance distorting objective reality: despite facts showing the US committing far more severe human rights abuses you still believe China has committed worse because that is what media you consume portrays
Did I ever say the US government didn’t commit human rights violations? Don’t put words in my mouth.
Also, China has had organ harvesting concentration camps for a while now. They also allow working conditions that are so shitty factories have to install anti-suicide nets.
China is by no means the good guy just because the US is a bad guy.
China’s suicide rate is among the lowest on Earth, magnitudes lower than America
Also, China has had organ harvesting concentration camps for a while now
Lol. If we’re going to start throwing in baseless conspiracy theories, then Hillary Clinton eats babies
I don’t see anyone refuting this so it must be true.
No but you claimed that China has commited worse ones, I’m asking for evidence of that
China has had organ harvesting concentration camps for a while now.
source? and I don’t mean Falun gong cult members anecdotes laundered to wrstern outlets through adrian zenz, actual hard evidence and investigation by neutral third parties or does that not exsit?
The US has children getting killed working in arbatoirs, and more workplaces suicides than China Bureau of Labour source and don’t install counter measures The Guardian: ‘It’s all preventable’: tackling America’s workplace suicide epidemic
Yes the Taiwanese company foxconn absolutely engaged in labour rights violations years ago before the Chinese government cracked down on them, hence why they are planning to movw factories to india where the BJP goverment is less likely to enforce(even its weak in comparison) labour regulations https://medium.com/@cailiansavage1/inside-the-myth-of-chinas-suicide-nets-7ae4b9d07015
Yes the Taiwanese company Foxconn absolutely engaged in labour rights violations years ago before the Chinese government cracked down on them, hence why they are planning to move factories to India where the BJP government is less likely to enforce(even its weak in comparison) labour regulations
Ohh, first I recall hearing about the move to India, thanks for this.
funny how libs talk about the foxconn suicide nets as a chinese thing, but then they back down when they learn its a taiwanese company 😂
China is pretty bad, but I feel the US never gets called out for this, so he has a good point.
Unfortunately I don’t think that person would ever be open to revaluating their preconceived worldview when presented with new facts, and are comforted by believing the ra-ra americana fairytale sold by Hollywood etc even if objective reality shows it to be false, I actually think they illustrates my point about cultural dominance from my first comment quite well
You’re wrong. The USA is a shit hole country rife with human rights violations.
But China is absolutely worse.
China is absolutely worse.
Source?
and you know this because the US told you so, and they wouldnt lie, would they?
the US is always called out for this?
Do you people live in the sand lol
They simp for fascists who call themselves communist.
Fascism is when you don’t unquestioningly accept baseless bloodlibel against your nations enemies
Based on the one 3 weeks ago, my instinct is that the results would tell a different story if more third world countries had been included.
See this post: https://hexbear.net/comment/6089310
If your “ally” becomes hostile to you then its no surprise.
