• Tinidril@midwest.social
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    14 days ago

    What makes the US the most powerful country in the world? It’s our cultural exports, our educational institutions, and our technology. We spent decades handing all our technology over to China, and undermining education. Now Trump has poisoned the American brand for at least a generation.

    China is way ahead on building a science and technology culture, and promoting education. The dividends from those investments are already paying off, and they are going to start compounding.

    A lot of Americans still think of China as the place to make cheap goods, but their manufacturing sector has benefited from decades of stolen expertise. It turns out there are benefits from having engineers and factory workers in the same location. Faster feedback means faster development. Now the US is falling behind.

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      14 days ago

      Completely agree. Also it’s not really “stolen expertise” as wetern companies and capitalist countries given it away willingly in exchange for cheap manufacturing. They just never expected China to take advantage of it to compete on a global market.

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      11 days ago

      China has already successfully destroyed manufacturing in most Pacific “first world” countries by undercutting us.

      The fact that US, Australian, Japanese, Korean and New Zealand manufacturers were so ready to outsource to China in the first place, just to save a few cents in the dollar is how they got us.

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        11 days ago

        Sounds more like “we got us” to me. It’s our system and our philosophies that made those pennies so precious.

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        13 days ago

        That is in fact their greatest strength and the primary reason why our usual strategies for undermining our political & economic rivals don’t work on them. Sitting back and allowing shit to fall apart because “freedom” is moronic, just look at what the US has turned into for a perfect example.

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        13 days ago

        I can’t speak for the rest of the world, but in Serbia 90% of TV shows and movies are American, and generally people watch primarily American movies/series online and in cinemas. Most people listen to American music and use English words in daily conversation. Most are familiar with things like 9/11, Vietnam, 4th of July, Woodstock, hippies etc.

        A lot of younger people are more familiar with American history, topics, movies and music than their own culture. I’m not saying it’s good, but Americans have an undeniably strong cultural influence, at least in Europe.

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        13 days ago

        Movies, fast food chains, clothing chains, etc. The American brand and lifestyle that goes with it. Not exactly the greatest cultural achievements of all time, but they brought in cash.

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          13 days ago

          I’m gonna skip a step…Nothing invented by USAian, no I won’t be elaborating or entertaining your delusions with further discussion. Search engines are your friend.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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      14 days ago

      A lot of Americans still think of China as the place to make cheap goods, but their manufacturing sector has benefited from decades of stolen expertise.

      I listened to a podcast (Dithering; it’s subscription based) talking about a book about Apple’s manufacturing operations in China. The distinction was that other companies guarded because their techniques would be stolen, whereas Apple focused on “we’re gonna teach you to do this,” which then proliferated to other companies. We wouldn’t have semi-affordable (depending on your situation) iPhones otherwise. They be impossible to build at scale. Really eye opening.

      The ep was the second one last week, if you wanna listen.

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        We wouldn’t have semi-affordable (depending on your situation) iPhones otherwise. They be impossible to build at scale. Really eye opening.

        Yes we would, they’d just have to lower their ridiculously high profit margins: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/30/apples-gross-margin-hits-record-as-services-business-keeps-growing.html

        For many years in the iPhone era, Apple’s gross margin would predictably come in at between 38% and 39%, reflecting the company’s tight grip over its supply chain and its pricing power in the market.

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          13 days ago

          Apple’s huge profit margins are only possible because of the scale of their operations in China. They’re moving to India and Vietnam. It remains to be seen how that will work out. China has been building expertise in manufacturing for decades. My statement stands.

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      14 days ago

      I mostly agree however you are showing some serious racism when you say they “stole” anything. Do typu really believe the people that invented gun powder cannot innovate?

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            13 days ago

            Except it is since Chinese companies take US tech and flood the market with cheaper shittier versions. If you are a startup avoid China like the plague. Even Intel had a bunch of there stuff stolen.

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              13 days ago

              If their versions were actually shittier we wouldn’t be losing as badly as we are, you’re verifiably wrong and it comes off as racist

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                13 days ago

                A US based company may foolishly get a contract with a Chinese manufacturer to make a specific part or product based on a spec. Said manufacturer then takes the designs and starts making them as their own. They often reduce cost by making the product with less material so that it lasts a shorter amount of time. In the tech landscape Chinese manufacturers have been known to steal software for devices without any attribution to the source. It ruins startups and harms the economy and the environment. Not all Chinese companies do this but some due without any reproductions.

                It isn’t “racist” as this has nothing to do with race. The core problem is the government of China not enforcing international copyright law. I don’t disagree that copyright can and has been abused in many places. However, it is still needed. Even copyleft depends on copyright.

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                  Cool story, can’t help noticing it’s entirely unsubstantiated though. Again, if Chinese manifacturing quality was actually that much lower consistently than American manifacturing we wouldn’t be losing.