The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.

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      Ohh, ok.

      Well, unfortunately, if the Democrats have secretly been keeping pace with Republicans the last 20 years. They have been extremely competent at keeping that a secret. A competence I haven’t seen them have in most other things they do.

      I can’t refute this claim because it is unprovable either way. So, we can’t really have a discussion if we don’t agree on the facts.

      Have a good one.

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        LoL. World’s worst kept secret then. Their voting is public record. They barely conceal that they’re coordinating with the GOP, always producing just enough Dems to cross the aisle and pass some nightmare.

        You’re either not paying attention, or simply prefer the Clinton democrats’ Republican policies.

        https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/the-dead-hand-of-clintonism-dlc/tnamp/

        https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-for-every-blue-collar-democrat-we-losewe-will-pick-up-twocollege-educated-republicans/5154759

        https://youtu.be/ORtAfdGPNW4

        https://youtu.be/89pQnOBH0QE

        https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/pelosi-i-pray-the-republicans-will-take-back-their-party-92846661562

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          I don’t know what you want from me man. Yeah, I agree. The Democrats suck at being a political party. I guess if that’s your point that the Democrats are less effective at getting elected than the Republicans are. I agree completely.

          But I’m not arguing about effectiveness at getting elected. I’m arguing about morality. I thought we were arguing about morality. Are we arguing about morality?

          Did it look like Biden or Kamala was going to disable usaid before the election?

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            Haha. No, you still don’t get it. It’s the same party pretending to be two. The Dems are there to protect the party from a challenge from the left, and occupy that space.

            It’s good that USAID was defunded. It’s an imperialist regime change org pretending to be an aid org, and acting as a front for regime change operations in violation of international laws on using aid operations as cover for spies.

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              I agree that Democrats are there to prevent leftward movement. But they also prevent rapid rightward movement towards fascism.

              It’s easier to organize when you’re not in a camp heading towards the gas Chambers.

              I don’t know man. It sounds like you’re an accelerationist that doesn’t really care about the collateral damage. You know you can be an accelerationist and still care about people.

              You could say “Hey, It’s good that Trump got elected because that will make people hurt and wake them up to political issues.” And also say “It’s really bad that USAID terminated canceled because it will result in a lot of Innocent deaths.”

              You do know that capitalism and fascism is global right? And that the problems with the US will start showing up in other countries? The solution is not to burn the US to the ground. It’s to figure out how to solve the problem.

              Edit: Also the termination of USAID. Doesn’t make fascism weaker. It just makes America weaker. Again, it seems like you’re not trying to actually solve any of the real problems.

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                The nerve to claim a party that just openly armed a genocide, in violation of domestic & international laws, is somehow preventing rapid rightward movement…

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                  Oh you’re right! Trump’s plan to make the Palestinians go wherever and die for all he cares so he can pave Palestine and build a giant hotel for him and his oligarch buddies.

                  Way better and totally not also genocide.

                  There was no option that didn’t involve Palestinian genocide as far as the US is concerned.

                  Edit: I better preemptively add this. I think Democrats are bad. I can vote for Democrats and say that they’re bad. I vote for Democrats because the Republicans are worse.

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                    Perfect illustration. You believe a Democrat genocide to be better than a Republican genocide. Thank you for so expertly highlighting the issue.