I’m curious how much of the traffic here is people with religious beliefs.

There’s no rule against it. I just want to understand better. I’m not interested in debating or criticizing anyone’s choice to visit the comm or practice religion.

My questions:

  • Do you practice or otherwise hold some sort of faith? What kind? Is there a comm for it?

  • What are your thoughts on this (c/Atheism) comm? Do you visit because threads appear on your front page, or do you subscribe/visit intentionally? Why do you click on the topics / what kinds of topics do you click on?

  • Do you comment when you read threads here, or are you more of a lurker?

  • Is there anything you would like to express to the members of this community?

Thank you in advance for any responses.

  • possibly a cat@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
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    8 months ago

    A thought-provoking thesis, thank you.

    What mechanism prevents a lack of faith, though, in your mind? Is it that not having some faith in something would lead to decision paralysis? Do you not consider it possible to navigate life though statistical confidence/lack of confidence as opposed to conviction? Or is it that such an approach still falls under what you identify as a type of faith?

    • p3n@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      8 months ago

      A thought-provoking thesis, thank you.

      Sure, thanks for the discussion.

      What mechanism prevents a lack of faith, though, in your mind?

      I think a lack of faith, in the sense of doubting what I believe or what I have placed my trust in, is a natural reaction to uncertainty. What I was clumsily trying to describe is that: Because I lack fundamental knowledge of the universe, I must constantly make decisions based on incomplete information. This requires me to place trust in something or someone external from myself.

      Is it that not having some faith in something would lead to decision paralysis?

      I think the point I was trying to make is that, even if I don’t consciously acknowledge my decisions, by just living life I am implicitly trusting in a truth about reality. To give an analogy, imagine three people are walking across a frozen pond covered in snow:

      • The first person checks to see if there is ice underneath, and then measures the thickness of the ice, decides that it will hold them, and walks across
      • The second person sees that there is ice underneath, but doesn’t measure it, and just decides to walk across
      • The third person has no clue there is ice there, and walks across the frozen pond

      The first person has faith in what they have observed and trusts that the ice will hold them. The second person just has blind faith in the ice and trusts that it will hold them. The third person is completely ignorant and doesn’t even realize they are walking on ice. While the third person isn’t technically “trusting” the ice, they are living their life in a way that depends on the ice just as much as the other two. What ultimately matters is the truth about whether or not the ice will hold. This truth matters regardless if I am ignorant of it, trust it blindly, or trust it because of my observations.

      Do you not consider it possible to navigate life though statistical confidence/lack of confidence as opposed to conviction? Or is it that such an approach still falls under what you identify as a type of faith?

      As a Poker player, I can appreciate this train of thought, but I wouldn’t want to try to live life based solely on some kind of statistical calculation. I think if I tried to calculate an expected value for living life according to the probability of a worldview, then I would end up in a Pascal’s wager type situation: Even if I was 99.99999% certain that the universe is finite and impersonal, bringing any percentage possibility of eternity into the calculation would swing the value completely in that direction.

      As far as categorizing this as faith, I would place this in the same category as my statements about science: it would be foolish for me to ignore statistics and other branches of mathematics, but it would also be foolish of me to ignore the fact that even mathematics is based on axioms and may be incomplete.

      I don’t want to give the impression that I think life must be lived by blind faith; my worldview is based on a combination of experience, observation, and intellection. However, I do want to dispel the notion that if I were an atheist, I could have a complete worldview that doesn’t require any faith. I don’t mean this as a slight to atheists, but rather an argument that both “religious” people an atheists share the same human condition which is surrounded with uncertainty.