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      Missing the purple, though.

      Having only two colors, clearly delineated, makes the flag worthless as a means of conveying anything, so they had to broadcast what it means with big, braindead-obvious symbols.

      Frankly, that definitely looks like a straight pride flag, in that it’s boring, binary, with absolutely zero sense of style, subtlety, or iconography.

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        It looks like a flag for transphobic bisexuals who only date cis people who fall firmly within the gender binary.

    • The gay community adopted and have used pastels in messaging for decades, and this flag has pastels in spades.

      It’s not 100% of course; judging anything by sight alone is fraught*, but pastels in advertising is a pretty decent indicator.

      (*) are you certain that’s a Nazi Swastika, or is that skinhead Hindu?

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        Thanks for putting exactly the nuance I was looking for! Symbols are important, but diversity disappears when we use symbols as a substitute for reality.

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      Yeah, I don’t get it. I like pink but I hate this flag! Straight guys don’t really need a flag, most of them advertise it enough. I’m straight and I find most the jokes distasteful.

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      There’s (unintentionally?) lots of symbolism here that reads as lgbtq. The male symbol being in the pink area, the female symbol being in the blue area, the male symbol has its erect phallus arrow pointing away from the female symbol, the parts of both symbols that are the same (the rings) are the only parts that touch each other, the overlapping rings create a shape that’s very evocative of a butt with an open anus, the background color field is at a steep angle making it very much not straight with the horizon of the flag and not straight with the orientation of the gendered symbols.

      Plus in this particular photo it’s two men holding the same flag which is supposed to be representing a sexuality, and the phallus of the male symbol points right at one of the men, and the material of the flag looks very satiny which is considered a very effeminate look.

      All in all, it’s harder to find symbolism here that actually reads as straight rather than lgbtq.

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        All in all, it’s harder to find symbolism here that actually reads as straight rather than lgbtq.

        It’s much harder to come up with something genuinely more gay. This is possibly the gayest image I have ever seen.

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            Not right away though. That would scare them off. Give them a little time to adopt it first and start flying it at their house. THEN pull the switcheroo.

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      I’m 40, and when I first opened the image, I was overwhelmed with how hilariously gay it looked. But not in a bad way - almost at if it were made unironically for lgbtq.

      The other person that replied to you with a lengthy list is spot on.

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      No shade intended but by any chance are you Gen Z or younger?

      If so, there’s some ingrained toxic social more context you might not understand because you grew up in a better society than we did.

      But if you’re genuinely asking…

      Anything that acknowledges women exist? Gay Anything that recognizes men in relation to others instead of as the default? Believe it or not, gay Anything that involves sharing? Gay Pink? Gay Blue? Also gay Pink and blue? Liberace Diagonal lines? Gay The male/female Mars/Venus signs? Gay The Venus sign on a blue background? Lesbian Mars sign on a pink background? Flaming gay Two men standing near each other: friends of Dorothy Two men holding a flag together: Gay The way the one guy is pinching the corner: Super fucking gay Wearing a teal shirt: Gay Wearing a yellow tie: Gay

      I could keep going but I think you might get the picture.

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        I still have relatives that say “ugh that’s gay” to mean “I don’t like that”.

        I don’t speak to these relatives anymore.

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            I used to say it, cause it was my environment in a very lgbtphobic area around lgbtphobic people to fit in, stopped saying it cause I don’t want to spread hate, and started using it again, cause it is my environment in a very gay friend group and gay girlfriend cause it is feels funny and good to reclaim it.

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                Exactly! We also like to poke fun at it ever being a “bad” thing. One of our running gags with each other, my partner and I, is to respond to something/event by saying “I think I might be gay” and the other one of us will feign horror.

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        Nope. 67 and doing my best since high school to be inclusive in my thinking.

        I guess I just don’t get how anyone other than a toxic fuck or at least a thoughtless stereotyper could say that most of what you point out of indicates gayness.

        Someone else went through a “symbolic analysis” that helps me see some of it.

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          a toxic fuck or at least a thoughtless stereotyper

          That’s like everyone back when I was in school, me included.

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            Yeah, point taken. The toxic fuckery I saw and experienced and probably propogated in school is likely why I’ve put in effort to be better.

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    So, I have a few issues with the design.

    Setting aside for a second how dumb this shit is, the design has some very questionable decisions.

    First I couldn’t care less about the “man” and “woman” signs, they’re linked, and gold, which I assume is some reference to marriage? I’ve never understood the symbology of those symbols. I think they’re tacky and archaic. I don’t inherently have an issue with their use in the design. My main issues with the design are with the colors. That’s not a super great shade of blue or pink. On top of that, the “man” symbol is almost entirely on the pink side, and the woman symbol is almost entirely on the blue side. Additionally, representing a boy as blue and girl as pink is pretty questionable as well. I would have expected something like this in the 80’s or 90’s, but today? What? It’s just strange.

    Why a slash? Why is it going from top left to bottom right? I have to many questions. It’s like there was no thought in the brain of whomever put this together, and they didn’t ask anyone to review it before having it made.

    Now, flipping the coin here, what exactly do straight people have to be proud of? I’m straight, and I don’t know. Is it pride in the decisions that we’ve made which facilitate the perpetration of humanity? Is humanity really something we should be proud of and continue to perpetuate? We’ve committed an untold number of unspeakable horrors to eachother, animals, and nature. Are we perpetuating the species so we can continue to rape and kill the planet and eachother? Either figuratively or literally? Don’t get me wrong, humans have achieved some remarkable things despite our obvious issues; but still, does any of that outweigh the horrors we’ve inflicted? I’m not so sure that perpetuating humanity is anything to be proud of.

    Are we proud of our heritage? Our lineage? The long genetic lines of aforementioned horrible people? Who enslaved others and called it progress? Who committed all those previously mentioned terrible things?

    So historical pride is questionable, and pride of purpose is questionable… What’s left? Just being proud of who you are? Pride in being a human who is straight? What for?

    I don’t understand. I have no pride for who I am naturally, and who I am attracted to. I have no pride in the things my race, gender, or sexual orientation has done. The straights have been responsible for pretty much all the pain and suffering of everyone who is “deviant”.

    I don’t know why anyone would be proud of that.

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      Fundamentally, we agree. Today we have reached the deepest pit of cringe.

      But your initial criticism of the design undercuts what might’ve been the only progressive aspect of the design: the fact that the male is on the pink side upsets foundational sexism: guys can be pink, and girls can be blue.

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      I think people like this believe that non-straight folks have an agenda to make straight folks* feel ashamed of being straight. As in - if you’re proud of being gay, that means you must think being not-gay is a bad thing. And so they feel attacked. It’s so brainless and reactionary.

      * Or white, or Christian, or insert whatever not-really-persecuted-but-thinks-they-are group here

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        Yeah I think that is the bottom line. I am straight as a ruler and absolutely do not give a flying fuck who has sex with who, it’s not my business and I cannot imagine being threatened by it, as long as it’s not me why would I care? If you are threatened by the existence of people who love other people there is something deeply wrong.

        Pride is literally one of the seven deadly sins, I’d think Christians would want to avoid it.

        On the flag design, I think it makes sense, designed by straight guys and looks like it was designed by straight guys. People would get suspicious if it looked fabulous. I do actually kinda like those symbols - they are old, from the 1700s, used originally for describing plants so there is one for hermaphrodite as well. One of my kids is a geneticist and their charts use a triangle for men & circle for women, the arrow and cross ones are better designs IMO.

      • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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        Imagine being so fragile and insecure that when someone else expresses pride in themselves, you feel threatened.

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          My theory is that they are not actually straight. They actively decided to be straight against their true interests due to social pressures. They in turn feel that sexual preference for everybody is an active decision. Due to their constant battle with that they feel some level of acknowledgement is in order for them similar to the lgbtq community. Those people chose to be gay and get pride parades while I chose to be straight and get nothing energy.

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      I bet these are the same people that say “All lives matter” or “white lives matter”.

      • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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        To be blunt:

        1. All lives do matter.
        2. Nobody needs to be reminded of that.

        We do, however, need to remind some of the less intellectually developed people that black lives, do indeed, matter. Which they do, they always have, and always will. While this is a subset of everyone’s life mattering, it does not and should not imply that the lives of non-black persons do not matter, it should only serve as a reminder that black lives do matter.

        The problem is that people get so fragile about being left out that excluding them from a movement because nobody ever needed reminding that their lives “matter”, causes them to get offended that someone else is getting special attention that they do not deserve, and have no right to impose themselves upon. Saying “all lives matter” in response to the BLM movement is, in my mind, a form of what aboutisms which is toxic and diminishes the point of BLM. It’s ignorant and short sighted.

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    Let’s beat them up for kissing girls. Who am I kidding. These guys can’t get self-respecting women.

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    I always thought it would be funny if “s” was added to “lgbtq” for straight.

    Then when someone has a problem with “lgbtqs”, you can be like “you’re not straight?”

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    I’m confused at why an LGBTQ community wouldn’t take the strategy of forceful adoption. Mostly under the point that they offer a home to all. However, it would negate any exclusion arguments against those communities.

    Take your adversaries symbols and make them yours kinda thing. A Yankee Doodle approach.

    “Where’s muh straight flag?”

    “Right here sparky.”

      • ℛ𝒶𝓋ℯ𝓃@pawb.social
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        The straight flag was made by homophobes… above comment was proposing that we hijack it and make it part of the lgbtq+ community, fly it in pride parades, etc., the same way we turned “queer” from a slur into an identity label.

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      The straight flag has been around for quite a while. It’s black and white horizontal stripes. The ally flag is the straight flag with a rainbow “A” on it.

      These guys in the picutre didn’t bother doing any research evidently and started flying the wrong flag.

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    The two guys holding up the straight pride flag look like they unhappily fuck their wives at home once every quarter to prove that they don’t love the cocks that they shamefully suck every weekend.

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    The one from decades ago was fine and kind of funny actually - it was the gay one but grayscale. This one is shoplifting the trans colors. Also only chuds will ever fly this, so at least it functions as a do-not-interact signifier.