Let’s Play Date, Marry, Kill…with Roundabouts.

What are your thoughts as Indiana starts adopting these modern traffic control measures (Europe has been doing them since…forever)?

Most people I talk to either love or hate these intersections. For some reason, I can’t find people who are indifferent to them very often.

According to the Carmel’s city webpage: “Carmel is internationally known for its roundabout network. Since the late 1990’s Carmel has been building and replacing signalized intersections with roundabouts. Carmel now has more than 150 roundabouts, more than any other city in the United States.”

“The number of injury accidents in Carmel have reduced by about 80 percent and the number of accidents overall by about 40 percent.”

https://www.carmel.in.gov/government/departments-services/engineering/roundabouts#:~:text=Carmel is internationally known for,city in the United States.

General PROs / CONs

  • Up to a 90 percent reduction in fatalities
  • 76 percent reduction in injury crashes
  • 30-40 percent reduction in pedestrian crashes
  • Reduces the severity of crashes
  • Keeps pedestrians safer
  • Roundabouts reduce the number of potential accident points within an intersection, 75 percent fewer conflict points than four-way intersections
  • No signal equipment to install and repair, savings estimated at an average of $5,000 per year in electricity and maintenance costs
  • Service life of a roundabout is 25 years (vs. the 10-year service life of signal equipment)
  • Reduces pollution and fuel use
  • 30-50 percent increase in traffic capacity, improves traffic flow for intersections that handle a high number of left turns, reduces need for turn lanes
  • While roundabouts can handle moderate to heavy traffic volumes more efficiently than traditional intersections, they may experience congestion and delays during periods of extremely high traffic volumes or if not designed properly for the anticipated traffic flow
  • Pedestrians and cyclists may face challenges navigating roundabouts, particularly multi-lane roundabouts with higher traffic volumes. Proper design considerations, such as providing safe crossing points, adequate sight lines, and dedicated pedestrian/cyclist facilities, are crucial to ensure their safety.
  • Drivers unfamiliar with roundabouts may initially experience confusion or hesitation when navigating them, potentially leading to increased risks or delays until they become accustomed to the traffic patterns.
  • Roundabouts generally require a larger footprint and more land area

https://www.in.gov/indot/traffic-engineering/roundabouts/#:~:text=Up to a 90 percent,points than four-way intersections (CONs came from general searching, LLM compilation)

Indianapolis and the surrounding suburbs are implementing them more frequently now, how about your city?

Did you know that traffic circles are different from roundabouts? PA has a little comparison chart that was interesting (If you’re into that sort of thing): https://www.penndot.pa.gov/PennDOTWay/pages/Article.aspx?post=24

  • CubitOom@infosec.pub
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    8 months ago

    Something I’ve noticed but I haven’t been able to find any data on is that roundabouts seem to be bad for pedestrians in a high foot traffic area.

    Even if drivers know how to navigate a roundabout in America (and that’s a big if), adding pedestrian crossing to the mix seems to confuse drivers even more. And for the pedestrian, the near constant flow of traffic is intimidating.

    Again, in have no data here. But if I’m crossing a road on foot or with a bicycle, I’d rather have a stop light.

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      8 months ago

      Interestingly, but not surprising, there’s a shopping mall called Clay Terrace in Carmel that is basically walkable strip mall.

      It has a lot of cross walks and two circles. I find there’s people who yield readily because they know the area is intended for pedestrians, and some treat it like regular roads. They put up flashing crossing lights when people pass sensors. That helped a lot.

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      8 months ago

      In Europe roundabout means no stopping for traffic lights for bicycles and pedestrians which is a huge plus. Idk what you understand under high foot traffic but the only scenario I can think of where there would be too much foot traffic would be in city centers which shouldn’t be open for cars anyways

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        8 months ago

        So where you are from, what happens if a pedestrian or bicycle needs to go aross a road? Is there infrastructure like bridges to cross the road without cars needing to yield?

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          8 months ago

          Cars yield for cyclists and pedestrians. This only works for smaller intersections like in the picture. Large roundabouts have traffic lights, but those are in the outskirts of a city where traffic consists of cars for the most part