Against Learning From Dramatic Events
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I did fake Bayesian math with some plausible numbers, and found that if I started out believing there was a 20% per decade chance of a lab leak pandemic, then if COVID was proven to be a lab leak, I should update to 27.5%, and if COVID was proven not to be a lab leak, I should stay around 19-20%

This is so confusing: why bother doing “fake” math? How does he justify these numbers? Let’s look at the footnote:

Assume that before COVID, you were considering two theories:

  1. Lab Leaks Common: There is a 33% chance of a lab-leak-caused pandemic per decade.
  2. Lab Leaks Rare: There is a 10% chance of a lab-leak-caused pandemic per decade.

And suppose before COVID you were 50-50 about which of these were true. If your first decade of observations includes a lab-leak-caused pandemic, you should update your probability over theories to 76-24, which changes your overall probability of pandemic per decade from 21% to 27.5%.

Oh, he doesn’t, he just made the numbers up! “I don’t have actual evidence to support my claims, so I’ll just make up data and call myself a ‘good Bayesian’ to look smart.” Seriously, how could a reasonable person have been expected to be concerned about lab leaks before COVID? It simply wasn’t something in the public consciousness. This looks like some serious hindsight bias to me.

I don’t entirely accept this argument - I think whether or not it was a lab leak matters in order to convince stupid people, who don’t know how to use probabilities and don’t believe anything can go wrong until it’s gone wrong before. But in a world without stupid people, no, it wouldn’t matter.

Ah, no need to make the numbers make sense, because stupid people wouldn’t understand the argument anyway. Quite literally: “To be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to understand my shitty blog posts. The Bayesian math is is extremely subtle…” And, convince stupid people of what, exactly? He doesn’t say, so what was the point of all the fake probabilities? What a prick.

  • swlabr@awful.systemsEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Hey guys look it’s the Scott whisperer, Mr. Beandog. Let’s see what he’s got for us today:

    I’m not a fanboy

    sure

    or necessarrily agree with his argument

    surely then, you wouldn’t feel the need to 'splain it

    but you’re seriously missing the point of what he’s trying to say.

    oh ok

    He’s just talking about how big, mediapathic events can unduly influence people’s perception of probability and risk

    No, that isn’t what he is saying, actually.

    He doesn’t need actual real world numbers to show how this works, he’s just demonstrating how the math works and how the numbers change

    He does, actually. You can’t make fake mathematical statements about the real world and expect me to just buy your argument. He is demonstrating how the math hypothetically works in a scenario where he cooks the numbers. There is no reason why one should extrapolate that to the real world.

    He isn’t trying to convince stupid people of anything, they aren’t his target audience and they will never think this way.

    Oh ok. prior updated. Coulda sworn his target audience was morons.

    • SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 months ago

      It’s fine, I get that this is “sneer club”, where being a dick is more valued than being logical. Like, if you had more detailed critique than “no, you can’t do that”, maybe this would be a conversation worth having with you.