Poll released Wednesday shows divisions by age and political lines, with 35% overall saying campaign against Palestinians is genocide
    • tsonfeir@lemm.ee
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      10 months ago

      I wonder how many people in that poll could locate Gaza on a map with no names.

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 months ago

      way down at the bottom here::

      opt in polling from web based “interview”. So, probably. nobody even remotely tech savy (aka has an ad blocker) ever participated. but anyhow… here’s what pew research has to say about the effects of interview mode:

      Where differences occurred, they were especially large on three broad types of questions: Items that asked the respondent to assess the quality of their family and social life produced differences of 18 and 14 percentage points, respectively, with those interviewed on the phone reporting higher levels of satisfaction than those who completed the survey on the Web.

      Questions about societal discrimination against several different groups also produced large differences, with telephone respondents more apt than Web respondents to say that gays and lesbians, Hispanics and blacks face a lot of discrimination. However, there was no significant mode difference in responses to the question of whether women face a lot of discrimination.

      Web respondents were far more likely than those interviewed on the phone to give various political figures a “very unfavorable” rating, a tendency that was concentrated among members of the opposite party of each figure rated.

      Statistically significant mode effects also were observed on several other questions. Telephone respondents were more likely than those interviewed on the Web to say they often talked with their neighbors, to rate their communities as an “excellent” place to live and to rate their own health as “excellent.” Web respondents were more likely than phone respondents to report being unable to afford food or needed medical care at some point in the past twelve months.

      ultimately, the legitimacy of the poll would depend on where they solicited their subjects in the poll. You’re likely to get a far different answer with advertisements on Truth Social than you would with advertisements on, lets say, a palistinian-american subreddit. but that wasn’t addressed in the report, so. we’ll never really know.

      • breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca
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        10 months ago

        I don’t think it’s opt-in in that way though. They have a pre-existing list of millions of pre-screened people and they’re selecting a representative sample from that list. Fivethirtyeight ranks them fairly highly among other polls – certainly high enough for this opinion poll to be considered accurate.

        • Hamartia@lemmy.world
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          10 months ago

          Fivethirtyeight only grades them on their ability to predict american election results. I don’t think that’s the same as advocating for their efficacy in producing leading public opinion polls.

          • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
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            10 months ago

            You’re right, kinda. Issue polling is generally better than horse race polling and YouGov is no exception.

            • Hamartia@lemmy.world
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              10 months ago

              It’s a serious issue when there’s a clear political bias in the founders. They put more effort into steering the narrative than objectively reporting it.

                • Hamartia@lemmy.world
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                  9 months ago

                  If you haven’t seen any clear bias then you probably have a close enough outlook to them to not notice. And that’s fine, I don’t require everyone to have the same opinion as me for their comments to have value.

                  My impression of bias is probably born out of the leading polls that rightwing media and thinktanks in the UK commission them to do. You can fairly argue that these polls are externally commissioned so their tenor is a product of their issuer not yougov. But the overall impression I got was that they could be readily depended on to produce misleading propaganda against labour when it wasn’t being run by corporate technocrats.

        • Oliofizodos@feddit.de
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          10 months ago

          I know this is a troll but just to be clear the role of the ICJ is literally to determine whether Israel’s alleged actions are capable of being covered by the Genocide Convention. Today they decided that this is indeed the case and the measures they announced, as meager as they are, are legally binding.

          • sailingbythelee@lemmy.world
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            10 months ago

            Calling someone names because they disagree with you isn’t helpful to the conversation, if that is indeed why you are here.

      • sailingbythelee@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        The bar for plausibility is very low, and rightly so, because the intention is to intervene early and protect civilians. The court will most likely issue an order to stop the fighting for humanitarian reasons. However, it will probably take a couple of years before they make a determination regarding the allegations of genocide.

        • neptune@dmv.socialEnglish
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          10 months ago

          Had to re read this a few times. Civilians are dying. The UN should stop it on humanitarian grounds. But hey, it’s the people calling it a genocide that need to be focused on. 🤔

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Israel is blocking aid organisations from buying food, water and medicine in israel and transporting it through the Ker Shalom crossing. Forcing everything through the extremely slow Egypt crossing which they are actively holding up. If they wanted to prevent weapon smuggle then they should love it going through Ker Shalom

    I cannot think of a single possible explanation other than israel trying to starve Gazans and commit genocide. How are Americans this brainwashed?

    • Kbobabob@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      How are Americans this brainwashed?

      This isn’t limited to the US. What are Israeli citizens doing? Personally i think the US should just stay the fuck out of it and take back whatever stuff we can that we gave them. Cut off support and actively denounce, but they won’t.

    • myrdinn@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Propaganda. An abysmal education system. Failing social structures. Corrupt media. Networks of the wealthy using their influence to push society in the direction they desire.

  • bedrooms@kbin.social
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    10 months ago

    Imagine you, your friends and your family get killed and washed away from your land, and 2/3 of US people don’t believe it’s genocide.

    • pjwestin@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Actually 1/3 said it is genocide, 1/3 said it isn’t, and 1/3 said they didn’t know. Also, only1/3 of Americans saying this is a genocide isn’t great, but it does represent a huge shift in opinion in a short time. Both our political parties support Israel, our news media doesn’t cover Palestinians very sympathetically, and our education system tells a very favorable version of Israel’s founding (most Americans don’t even learn about the Nakba). I don’t think criticism of Israel has ever been this mainstream (at least in my lifetime).

      • bedrooms@kbin.social
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        10 months ago

        Actually 1/3 said it is genocide, 1/3 said it isn’t, and 1/3 said they didn’t know

        That means

        1. 1/3 believe it’s genocide
        2. 1/3 believe it’s not
        3. 2/3 do not believe it’s genocide
    • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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      10 months ago

      Murdering people at a music festival and taking hostages might have an effect on public perception.

      • qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee
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        10 months ago

        The problem is, before they wemt on that murdering spree, the western world pretty much ignored their plight, or maybe tutted when they chucked a rocket or two over the border. But any kind of “proper” political solution was flatly ignored. It’s not a justification, but I have to say that I umderstand why that situation led to a “fuck it, let’s just rampage” attitude. And look, they actually have a tonne of eyeballs and attention on their shitty situation (and shitty leaders), so maybe something will come of this. Palestinians are paying an exorbitantly heavy price for it, though.

        • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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          10 months ago

          Sure, but again - if you murder people at a music festival and take hostages, even if you might have reasons to do so - you can expect quite a lot of people to not be on your side. The only thing for sure is that terrorists won that one.

          • ???@lemmy.world
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            10 months ago

            Sure, but again, if you indiscriminately kill innocent people in Gaza and destroy the very last university, even if you might have reasons to do so - you can expect quite a lot of people to not be on your side. The only thing for sure is that Israel won that one.

            • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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              10 months ago

              Absolutely. Not sure why you would think I don’t understand the hatred Israel is getting.

              The only thing for sure is that Israel won that one.

              Not sure what Israel won, despite making sure there will be another generation of Palestinian freedom fighters with rather questionable methods.

              • ???@lemmy.world
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                10 months ago

                I wasn’t making a statement about you, I just wanted to demonstrate the statement can be made in any way.

                I agree, Israel bred the Hamas of tomorrow for sure. But they did win in terms of getting closer to turning Gaza into a settlement.

      • PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        Two wrongs don’t make a right. A county based on abrahamic religion should know that. It just proves that they don’t actually believe in their own religion and only hide behind it whenever it’s convenient for them, like saying anybody who disagrees with them supports Hamas.

        • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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          10 months ago

          Two wrongs don’t make a right

          Absolutely agree.

          A county based on abrahamic religion should know that

          Dude, have you seen all the shit countries based on abrahamic religions have done through out the history?

          ike saying anybody who disagrees with them supports Hamas.

          And the other side says that anyone disagreeing with them is a genocidal nazi. I would say the whole discussion at this point is rather heated and fucked up.

        • FlowVoid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          10 months ago

          Which Abrahamic religion are you referring to?

          If anyone injures his neighbor, as he has done it shall be done to him, fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; whatever injury he has given a person shall be given to him. Whoever kills an animal shall make it good, and whoever kills a person shall be put to death. (Leviticus 24:19-21)

          • PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
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            10 months ago

            What happens if you take both eyes? And the eyes of their family and their neighbors and the people didn’t the street? Is that allowed or?

            • FlowVoid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              10 months ago

              What happens if every single firstborn Egyptian son is killed overnight? Is that evil?

              Religions don’t always give the answers you might expect.

    • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Well, did my family join Hamas and then force me to stay to die as a martyr inside a building that Israel just told us they were going to bomb?

      I think I’d be fine with the US not calling that genocide. If they did I hope they’d at least blame the actually responsible party.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    I think that shows that this is not the issue that is going to really hurt Biden. What will hurt him is if the economy for the average person hasn’t improved by election day. And I doubt it will. So I sure as fuck hope he doesn’t lose to Trump.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
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          10 months ago

          No? Half of Democrats believe it’s a genocide, while only 21% believe it’s not. The rest are undecided. This is a big deal, because even if a tenth of the people who believe it’s a genocide decide to stay home that’s enough to lose Biden the election.

  • Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    • 67% said a ceasefire should only happen if the hostages are released and Hamas is removed from power

    • 83% said October 7 was a terror attack, including 74% of those aged 18-24

    • 80% said they support Israel over Hamas, including 57% of those aged 18-24

    • 69% said Israel was trying to avoid civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip and 66% said Israel was just trying to defend itself

    • 74% said Hamas’s attack was genocidal

    https://harvardharrispoll.com/

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 months ago

      this is depressing.

      I’m not going to comment on whether or not Hamas’ attack was genocidal, because even if they meant it to be, I just don’t they have the capability. but like… Israel is bombing fucking hospitals and refugee camps inside the strip. That’s not how you go about “avoiding civilian casualties”.

      the only side worth supporting here are the civilians caught in the middle.

      • Poggervania@kbin.social
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        10 months ago

        Considering we have a population of 331,464,948, I would say it’s not lol

        I personally think we’re committing genocide, but I would imagine a sample size that is under 1% of the US population is small

    • adriaan@sh.itjust.works
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      10 months ago

      100% agree that we should use the term with caution and precision. That said, Israel is committing a genocide.