• Internet Rando@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Been farming most my life - and f*ck those guys, let them fail.

    Industrial ag was always built on the premise of a slave labor force, and cannot sustain without it.

    These men, poison their land, strip their topsoils, blame everything else when crops fail and are first in line for some big-daddy socialism, whist decrying anything progressive or sustainable as hippy commie shit.

  • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.world
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    Wow. So much ignorant hate here, as always in the enlightened misinformation age.

    Most farms aren’t corporations. In America for example more than 80% of farmers are smalltime. They don’t dictate their profits or the wages they can afford to pay, or influence the prices of their crops or all the crap they have to buy to do farming. A typical American farmer makes $40-50k a year, and every year they risk going into the red or bankruptcy because of fluctuating prices. I really don’t know why anybody in their right mind would keep farming. Family tradition or whatever - apparently it’s “in their blood”.

    As always, a lot of people here have jumped right onto the binary world tailgate, using their vast 3-second attention spans to make a value judgement about who wears the black and white hats in the situation and who’s evil, then they thumb-type a few decisive words of irrefutable justice wisdom - in this case about evil farmers treating people like slaves.

    It’s great that Lemmy is non-corporate and part of the fediverse, but after 7 or 8 months here I’m more and more developing the opinion that it’s just another kneejerk ignorance shithole on the social media superhighwqy. Scroll on, brave justice warriors, scroll on! And enjoy your lunch.

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    Maybe offer better compensation if you can’t find workers. No one wants to bust their ass all day for a shit wage. Unless they’re desperate.

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      day for a shit wage.

      Underpaying Immigrants and Outsourcing both tech and design to China has rightfully fucked us. Smarter every day tried to make an OK grill brush here, it has to be $75.

      I don’t like either of the answers the administration is providing to these problems (nor do I think they’re legitimately trying to solve them), But we’re going to dead end if we don’t do something about it.

      Tax the rich, pay generous wages, focus on local manufacturing, fix pricing and force market competition.

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      Unless the system doesn’t oversee them, because then the standards of the system don’t apply to them, and they can be exploited.

      Farmers can go fuck themselves for doing modern day slavery exploitation.

      Oh, your profits were based on how little you can pay your employees? HOW ABOUT YOU SUCK MY FUCKING DICK.

  • RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world
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    I’m surprised that they haven’t considered using prison labour yet.

    It is also ironic that people in the US criticize alleged slavery in other countries but ignore their agricultural economy

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      I’m pretty sure parts the US are actively using prison labor already. It varies by state, but I remember reading about one state where they were basically renting out prisoners to companies. I think they used the term “hiring”, but the money the company paid didn’t go to the inmate… The prison system has been one of the larger atrocities in the US for a while now.

  • MrSulu@lemmy.ml
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    6 days ago

    “You reap what you sow” originates from farming wisdom. Just putting that out there.

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      It’s weird to think the agricultural workers, who can’t vote and don’t have legal status and are often living on subsistence wages, deserve to be snatched off the street and fed into a concentration camp system in order to deprive a few agricultural wholesalers of their profit margins.

      I don’t see that as reaping what you sow at all. Fascism does not fall heaviest on the fascists.

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        Supporters of facism and their narcissism. Specifically, they use their privilige to moan about their own challenges, seemingly without much thought for those taken into concentration camps. They will only ever understand what hurts them.

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    7 days ago

    Just buy a Musk-branded, doge- approved, exploding slave neck collar and perimeter fence kit. Keeps your child employees motivated, on-task, on-location.

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      No this can only be spoken by those in profound ignorance or utter stupidity. There are bad jobs. Go look up sewage cleaner in India. No amount of money is worth that. There will always be shit jobs.

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        Go look up sewage cleaner in India. No amount of money is worth that.

        That’s just untrue. There is definitely some amount of money worth it.

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          For sure. If I got paid a million dollars a week I would do it for a couple weeks to then not have to work again the rest of my life lol. But seriously, there are lots of jobs that don’t pay what they should for how crappy the work is

      • Donkter@lemmy.world
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        Kind of a bad argument. “Look up sewage cleaner in India” implies that there are sewage cleaners elsewhere with better jobs. Making the problem with being a sewage cleaner in India a bad condition.

        Ironically I agree with you. Some jobs are way better than others, making some jobs bad and some good. A garbage man will always be a worse job than an ice cream taste tester barring absurd caveats. it’s just funny to me that your argument explicitly implies a problem with job conditions.

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        There are people who literally shovel congealed fat out of sewers, that’s definitely a shit job.

        They get paid a ridiculous amount though.

  • RandAlThor@lemmy.caOP
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    Nobody is going to work for slave wages and slavery conditions. Raise wages! Improve working conditions! That’s the point of the whole Trump immigration policies you dumbass!

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      You might want to let Trump know that these are his objectives. I don’t think he’s aware that he’s supposed to strengthen OSHA and fight for higher wages.

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        he already gave the response to people complaining" you voted for what i cammpaigned on, deal with it"-paraphased trump exact words.

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      The prices for grocery shopping are much higher in the US than in Germany (30% to 100% higher for unprocessed, healthy food). Yes, we also have immigration workers, but their status is legal and they get the official minimum wage.

      It’s not that the US can’t afford to lower prices without illegals, they just want to maximise profit.

      https://livingcost.org/cost/germany/united-states (You need to scroll down to the grocery part)

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        8 days ago

        not to mention, the fuckery around shrinkflation/cheapflation. many other products like oral care is heavily shrinkflationed.

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        To be fair, in Germany a lot of food is imported from other countries that have different labor protections, so Spanish tomatoes could have different conditions. Of course Aldi and Lidl have popularized super efficient supply chains that help keeping prices low (and AFAIK they pay reasonable salaries).

      • ThePantser@sh.itjust.works
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        It’s not inflation if that is actually how much it always should have cost. Our food is too cheap and full of shit.

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        That would be unpleasant, yes, and would require further efforts to minimize the consequences for those with low incomes (for instance, expansion of food subsidies, which yes would require even more taxation of those with wealth), however, if food prices aren’t as high as that now because of near slavery conditions, then there’s probably no ethical way to avoid it.

        • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          EXPANSION of food subsidies? They just gutted USDA programs providing food to food shelves all over the country. My local food bank recently switched to every two weeks instead of every week. It’s already bad and only getting worse

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            You may misunderstand, I’m not making any prediction that this administration or any like what we’ve had in a long time, if ever, would do such a thing. What I’m saying is that if some government was installed that actually cared, it’s not an impossibly to improve agricultural labor conditions without driving the working class broke from food cost increases.

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      even if they did all that, its pretty back breaking work, you will your back or joints will be destroyed in the 30s, thats why also people dont stay in the trades that long either. disc disease from wear, is pretty hard to treat.

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        Which means the pay has to rise even more.

        My guess is that this is a Peter Thiel move and robot companies are almost ready to deploy their farm helpers.

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      This is what people don’t understand.

      Yes, the work is hard, but good old Americans will do the work if they are paid.

      No pay, no work.

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      It is indeed baffling that immigrants worked all this time for slave wages under slavery conditions. USA is full of people taking advantage of others. It is not just Trump, it is the 50% of the population that is anti-social psychopathic sociopath.

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        it is not anywhere near baffling. it is an example of exactly how disgusting and terrible capitalism is. these times should be moving people radically left.

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          Meh, I mean sure capitalism sucks, but these people would try to exploit others for personal gain under any system.

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            And they won’t be able to if they never had the power (money in capitalism) to do so to begin with.

            “Try” is the key word here. It only matters if anyone succeeds.

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        For real. In America being a psychopath is rewarded with money. And what’s worse is that there is something very dark and heartless happening that seems to have a hold of not just the government but the people as well. Like it’s now becoming known at least slightly, that America is not the image it branded itself as and that the people here are very much being manipulated socially and society is being orchestrated to be something that is not for humanity but instead for an ideology that feels like the essence of evil.

        We should be realizing our nation isn’t for humanity. It’s all strictly business, and “the game” of conquering life and existence. And anything that gets in the way is the enemy.

        As citizens here we aren’t special. They can do the same things they do to other countries to us. We can become the middle east warzone. The only reason they don’t do it inside the nation bluntly is because then it would show their true colors. So what they do is manipulate and divide the citizens over simple things and watch the citizens destroy themselves. The same geopolitical methods they use to overthrow countries they use here.

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          In America being a psychopath is rewarded with money.

          That’s true anywhere on the planet.

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        I don’t think a lot of them realized just how bad it was, maybe not even a passing thought. I’m willing to give a pass to anyone who isn’t a farmer or has experience farming.

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      The point is to get votes and financial support from racists and xenophobes. The policies are just tools for it.

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    Lol. What a clownshow. You voted for this, morons. Decisions have consequences, even/ especially if it’s to sit out and do nothing, and yes, im now talking about the other group of idiots.

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      Absolutely. But I’m beginning to think there weren’t as many sit-outs as certain precincts would have us believe.

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    Maybe these morons should stop voting to remove their employees. Too smart for these MAGAts.

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      No no no, they’ll vote for the GOP again, but hope they’ll force inmates or homeless people to work the fields.

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      Its truly incredible.

      Their response will just be to fold, to literally sell the farm, and also at the same time never even be cognizant of the fact that they got exactly what they voted for, that Trump repeatedly said he was going to do exactly this, that lefties screamed about Project 2025 and the resounding response was basically ‘pff, he’s just bluffing,’ and then making up a fan fiction version of what Dear Leader will actually do.

      They’re just gonna revert back to the ‘no one wants to work’ mantra untill we just literally put our incarcerated prisoners to work in the fields, going full circle all the way back to slavery.

      These idiots didn’t even realize how dependant they were on so many massive subsidy programs untill they poofed out of existence, again, 100% in line with Trump’s platform.

      Has any nation in history fucking autolobotomized as hard and as fast as we have?

      Literally the world’s sole super power 20/30 years ago, and in a single generation we have destroyed ourselves in almost every way possible, short of just nuking ourselves.

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        Has any nation in history fucking autolobotomized as hard and as fast as we have?

        Well, the Khmer Rouge killed everybody who wore glasses because they were “intellectuals,” China killed millions trying to force city kids to become farmers during the Cultural Revolution, and I’m pretty sure other autocratic totalitarian governments have fucked themselves in similar ways. Usually when societies become illiberal, people with brains are the first to be put up against the proverbial wall.

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        Just to add a point - if the farmers do end up folding and selling off, who’s going to buy the land? My money would be on large corpos.

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          Yes, it would 100% be large corpos that more or less run and own many farms that same way large landlords run 10s or 100s or 1000s of apartments / rental homes.

          Sorry, I had thought this was so obvious it didn’t need to be directly stated, but yeah, it’s not a bad idea to be more explicit and more clear.

      • Ledericas@lemm.ee
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        they tried it with prisoners already, they arnt doing it because they are already in jail, why work when you have all the ameneties provided for you, and it barely affects your sentence.

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          Much like how it is very easy to pass laws and ordinances that fuck over the homeless, it is also easy to pass laws and ordinances that fuck over prisoners.

          The US Constitutional + Ammendments explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime you’ve been convicted of.

          The Supreme Court has now repeatedly just thrown all prior existing legal case precedent out the window and just made such nakedly hypocritical rulings that its fair to say they are a completely biased and arbitrary institution.

          The rule of law in the US is dead, is a farsical joke.

          Some state will just pass a law that says uh hey, if you’re a prisoner in a facility in our state, and the state has some kind of extraordinary need, we can force you into involuntary labor.

          Then other states will copy this once it passes one state’s court, then in 6 months-ish it’ll get to the Supreme Court who will say yep, checks out, carry on, and then every other red state and half the blue states will do it as well.

          I am not 100% sure this will happen, but it is very, very plausible. 95% sure something like this will happen within 5 to 10 years, possibly less.

          Also… its illegal to be homeless now, and the economy is crashing. Get foreclosed on, can’t pay rent, end up in the streets, living in your car?

          Yep, why not crack down on that like ICE is cracking down on migrants, now you’re convicted of being homeless, the punishment is a few years of forced labor.

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          Dude what? Our Constitution literally allows for us to continue slavery as a punishment. Why the fuck would you ever think they had a choice?