How would you go about doing this? As an example, if you loaned someone 167 monero to buy a car and expect them to pay you back in 7 years like a bank does you would be requesting 167xmr*6.02% (to counter xmr inflation) for a total of 177.053xmr. 177.053xmr/84 (months in 7 years) would be 2.107xmr a month. At the moment that is fine, but if the usd price of monero rises and the borrower is being paid in usd then they are going to default and you will loose the xmr. The only way I could see to counteract this would be to lower the Monero payments per month, but then that would take even longer to be repaid.

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    I don’t understand the issue. If it’s a legal business, just do it the same way that you pay out a personal loan (which is basically cash). Credit check, evaluate risk, possibly require collateral, and sign a contract that you’ve had lawyers write up for you. Don’t require X amount back in Monero, set it to the equivalent of X dollars and then it doesn’t matter what the price of monero is, but let them pay you back in monero.

    If it’s illegal loans… I think your only option is hiring Guido to bust some kneecaps.

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      But if you pay out Monero for the loan and then you peg it to Fiat and they pay you back in Monero with that amount of Fiat, then you will lose Monero as the price increases. So you will turn say 177 Monero into say 100 Monero. That is something you don’t want to do.

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        Well you don’t want to lose Monero and you don’t want to lose fiat, but you can’t have both. XMR isn’t a stablecoin.

        If it matters more to you that you get your XMR back, then require XMR payments. You need to include the XMR volatility as part of the interest rate calculation.

        If it matters more that you get your fiat back, then require fiat-equivalent in XMR payments.

        Or, demand you get either XMR or fiat back, whichever is higher. But I don’t think a borrower would like this. Tesla did this when they let you pay in BTC; Tesla reserved the right to refund you in whichever currency was cheaper. For the consumer, it a bad deal.

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        But you would still turn a profit with the interest. So you could just reinvest that back into monero. So if you loan $100k worth in monero and when the loan is paid back you have $200k (or whatever) you’re insulated from monero price fluctuations even if you’re down the actual number of coins you’d still be left with more value. Which you could put back into monero with each payment or just leave in your bank account.

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          What do you mean you’d be left with more value? If I loan a hundred and seventy-seven Monero and I only get a hundred Monero back, I am down value. I want the loan amount denominated in Monero and I want the loan payments to be repaid in Monero. I don’t want somebody to tell me I need to borrow a hundred thousand dollars. I want somebody to tell me I want to borrow a hundred and seventy seven Monero.

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            7 months ago

            Okay, I guess I’m explaining terribly, but I’m also working on partial information as to what you’re trying to do… I’ll give an example with small round numbers for easy maths:

            • Loan 100monero with a value of $200
            • Borrower owes 200monero with value of $400
            • Borrower makes 4 payments:
            • Payment 1: 50 monero value of $100
            • Price of monero drops to match the dollar
            • Payment 2: 100 monero value of $100
            • Price of monero skyrockets to $10 per coin
            • Payment 3: 10 monero value of $100
            • Payment 4: 10 monero value of $100

            Total monero loaned 100 coins worth $200 Total monero repaid 170 coins worth $400

            In this scenario, you still made money. If the loan was pegged to the specific amount of coins you’ll have problems:

            I borrow 100 monero from you worth $200 I sell them, and wait for the price to drop and buy 200 monero for $150 and repay you 200 monero and you’re actually going to be out $50.

            The flip side is the borrower has problems because:

            I borrow 100 monero and the price keeps climbing as I make payments. So I can only afford to send you less and less coin (but the same monthly $ amount) If it continues to grow or one day explodes in price, I might never be able to repay that 100 monero in my lifetime.

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              Oh, I think I see the disconnect. I want the Monero, not the dollars. So, even in that scenario where I lose $50, I don’t care, because I now have 200 Monero, which is what I wanted.

              Edit: I am not after the number of dollars to go up. I am after the number of Monero to go up. I want to see my wallet balance increase from 100 Monero to 200 Monero and don’t give a fuck about the US dollar price.