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I like pitbulls and don’t know if this is bait (perhaps you didn’t realize the obvious response you’d get?) but this post should be removed either way.
Worst comment section I’ve ever seen in this community
There’s two types of people: those who hate pitbulls, and those who’s pitbull hasn’t mauled someone yet.
I had two roommates who both had pitbulls. Both very loving owners. These dogs were treated right. But they could not coexist.
After one fight too many, one of the owners got mauled by his own dog after trying to break the dogs up. He almost lost his hand.
Ban pitbulls.
“BuT mY WiTtLe pRiNcEsS WoUlD NeVeR HuRt a FlY!”
Retaliation isn’t very wholesome.
Especially when some power fantasy tripping mod already removed the comments in question, so there isnt even anything to retaliate in response to.
If it needs a CW(Content Warning) tag then it shouldnt be in a “wholesome” community. And yes obviously it needs that because countless people are traumatised by these kinds of dogs.
So glad the UK outlawed these bully xl things. Not a day goes by it doesn’t maul one child or another
Fuckin dog racist.
Absolutely assinine that people can’t have squirrels or raccoons as pets, but dogs bred for centuries to brutally murder eachother in pit matches are free game.
That’s simply not an accurate history. ✅
There are tons of people who own raccoons and squirrels. There was literally a president that had a pet racoon. And to assume a dog is inherently evil for being abused for centuries is wrong. Bull terriers were breed for pit fights but they’re rarely associated with that kind if violence. Borzoi’s were breed for hunting wolves yet we never hear about them being violent.
In most states, it’s illegal to house a raccoon or a squirrel without costly extensive licensure.
And just look up the stats.
Pitbulls have the reputation because pitbulls are the ones killing other dogs and sending people to the hospital every day.
If you wanna clench your eyes shut and be dumb, have at.
And to assume a dog is inherently
evildangerous.inherently dangerous. It’s not the dogs’ fault, but that doesn’t change what must be done.
Statistics by definition is presenting empirical data and that’s what most people think of when they hear statistics. Most scientists studying statistics actually spend much more of their time developing and studying methods of data collection rather than crunching numbers. The reason for this is you cannot have meaning statistics if the data set is not accurate. And I love you all and your experiences matter but they bear no scientific weight.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that every time you see a static it’s complete and total bullshit. Flawed data collection leads to flawed results which leads to flawed conclusions. But people sure do get excited when numbers validate their biases.
In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/
In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/
In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.
Every single pitbull I’ve met has been nothing but loving and kind. I understand the context about people who don’t like them as they’ve probably seen things in the media about how pitbulls act, or something in a similar nature. I would believe that the media is just trying to get you scared, as I remember one time with a different story about a city I live nearby to, and how I said I was scared to go into the city due to the gun violence, when one of the people who live in the city said that they live in the hood, and have no trouble getting to where they need to go, which personally made me feel a lot better. That’s what I currently believe this situation is like. I do understand that this may not change some opinions with some people, just think about it, please.
You’re dismissing the people who have made their opinion from the overwhelming scientific data on this subject.
I consider that “media”
It’s best not to use alternative definitions in a discussion without noting it. You’ll only cause confusion.
Those aren’t actually OPs dogs. This is a bait.
Your right. One of them is my friends. I never claimed both were mine.
Wow, lots of people with strong feelings whose version of “I did my research!” is remembering what stories the newspapers wrote because they knew it would spark outrage and attract eyeballs, and hearsay on friend-of-a-friend stories.
So called “bully breeds” are the best dogs I’ve ever met. I fucking love cuddling with those meatheads. Cane Corsos, Dobermans, and Rottweilers are amazing, loyal, and loving, too.
I’ve been bitten and needed stitches from both a Chihuahua and a Poodle. My daughter was bit by a absolute shit of a Bichon, and my ex was bit by a Husky when she was a kid. Fuck those dogs we should outlaw and euthanize them all, right breed-banners? Or maybe it does indeed have to do a LOT with nurture, and very little with nature? (or in the case of my ex (according to her Mom) because she wouldn’t stop harassing the dog).
However, I’ve met some nice poodles and chihuahuas and huskies too (not bichons though, little assholes), but I’m not so fucking dumb and shallow as to say we need to outlaw them all, just that owners should absolutely be responsible and liable for their pets’ behaviour.
PS - OP your dogs are cute as hell. Look at those smiles!
Chihuahuas are demonic little shits, and if they were the same size as a pitbull, they’d be banned everywhere. The only reason they’re tolerated is because they’re too small to do any major damage.
Tl;dr: The dogsbite data set is poorly constructed and misleading. Real science performed by actual scientists has overwhelmingly found the belief in inherently violent bully type breeds to be exactly that - just a belief.
This whole thread is a great example of why science education is so important. I suspect a not insubstantial percentage of the people touting the “70% of dog bites are by pitbulls” statistic have previously mentioned how correlation is not causation and decried the cherry picking of data.
Here we have many individuals cherry picking data while making claims that require correlation to be causation. They also seem to lack the skills required to evaluate the strength of a study or data set, otherwise they wouldn’t be quoting one where calling it shoddy would be a massive compliment. My cat makes better, then scratches dirt over it.
For anyone interested in actually learning about the nuance of the situation, plus why the dogsbite data set is pure horse shit, here are a few pertinent articles.
American Veterinary Medical Association - The Dangerous Dog Debate
Applied Animal Behaviour Science - Breed differences in canine aggression
American Psychological Association - Pit Bulls and Prejudice
Science - Ancestry-inclusive dog genomics challenges popular breed stereotypes
If someone actually needs to have these statistical problem with dog bites explained to them, it’s because they’re fucking stupid and uneducated.
Uneducated? Yes, at least in math and/or statistics. Stupid? Not necessarily.
My education once stopped at the high school level and I can guarantee you I’d have made the same unsupported conclusions based on the data. I later attended college for nearly a decade and it opened my eyes to a world of bad and misleading statistics. All it took is a little education and a lot of critical thinking.
I mean, it is a little big about nature as the different dog breeds were bred for very specific purposes. That just puts responsibility on the owner to know about this and act accordingly (i possible, not every dog is a pure blood breed). And most importantly to know your dog and act accordingly.
Thank you, and yes, your absolutely right. Any dog is capable of violence, but I think the reason pitbulls have this reputation is because many people want them as an attack/defense dog and don’t actually know how to care for them in a way that keeps them calm.
This is the “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument.
Sufficiently powerful projectile weapons require a license, training, etc. Dogs should be no different.
I will always trust a dog at the dog park around my dog as I would with any dog but I am more then 100% ready to destroy any animal should it do something unprovoked to my dog, or any other dog.
This is for any breed. I am more observant when it’s a known aggressive breed however.
Same could be said for Rotties, Dobermans, Shepherds, and so on. It’s not the dogs that are shitty; it’s the people that own them. Address that problem and leave the dogs alone FFS.
I just want to say op, you have two great looking pups! I can guarantee Teddy is the best cuddler.
They really are fucking adorable. 10/10 would give them snuggles and scratches.
Then again, I also like 100% of animals, so 🤷♀️
What a shitty post.
Just wondering? How hard is it for some of you to say "aww cute, doggy"or something like that?
How hard is it for you to keep your mouth shut?
Holy shit this was an aggressive response.
Lol just woke up and chose violence today.
🤘
I don’t really have a problem with any dog specifically.
But I don’t think there is any reason to have something like a pitbull unless you absolutely need it for security.
Largely they should be bred out of existence. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t include other breeds like pugs and maybe even something like a poodle.
Pretty much every dog is great but you don’t need a pitbull, get something else. For the love of god don’t get a pug or I’ll think you’re a cunt.
You want to breed poodles out existence?
No, not really. But I have heard some bad things about how they are feisty. I’m just saying the whole species needs looking at, it’s not only fighting dogs. Some dogs breeds need to be bred with other breeds to make one bigger one with more diversity and some need to stop having pups and some need a bit of attention and improving upon.
My poodle and my mom’s 3 other poodles are anything but fiesty. I have no idea where you heard that, but they are great dogs that are very intelligent and obedient. At least the larger varieties.
I’ve always been a bit skeptical of the “dog temperament” being closely related to the dog breed.
The only real trend I’ve noticed is that bigger dogs tend to be way more chill and happy to engage in petting and cuddling
But I think that’s what it is. Poodles are very intelligent and high energy. They need that mental stimulation and regular activity, or they will act out.
My pitbull is more low key. She’s fine with snoozing most of the day and doesn’t want to walk if it’s raining. The positive trait that gets her in trouble is she is very protective. Woe to anyone that comes up behind me
Yeah, that’s my experience too: smaller poodles are likely to be feisty. Out of all the dozens or hundreds of dogs I’ve interacted with, the only one to bite and draw blood was a toy poodle.
That didn’t stop me from owning one, treating him right, and getting a fantastic loving gentle pet out of it.
But poodles have weak teeth/jaws, and are little. Not that I’m encouraging getting bitten, nor of punting to defend yourself, but you could.
Meanwhile my current pit bull rescue is the most cuddly, gentle, but loyal and protective dog I’ve ever owned. I can confidently stick my hand in her mouth to grab the slice of moldy pizza she grabbed off the ground. But she’s big. And powerful. With jaws that destroy even the strongest chew toys. There is always that worry that if she did bite, the results would be very different from the poodle.
I really dont see how pit bulls are painted as fierce unpredictable beasts, but they are big and powerful.
They’re adorable. Fuck the haters and love those dogs even more for it.
I just want to scritch their cute memoryfoam heads.
