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The return-to-office demands make little sense from an overall economic perspective, while working parents, in particular, benefit from not having to waste time commuting to an office, writes Peter Bergen.

The Absurdity of the Return-to-Office Movement::The return-to-office demands make little sense from an overall economic perspective, while working parents, in particular, benefit from not having to waste time commuting to an office, writes Peter Bergen.

  • loopgru@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Remote work forever, and repurpose the useless office buildings into conveniently located downtown living space to help ease housing shortages and drive urban density.

    • FenrirIII@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Then you need mass transit to pick up the slack, otherwise there’s just as much pollution and waste.

      • loopgru@slrpnk.netEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Living downtown typically means a lot more walking, biking, and public transit, precisely because you’re there in the middle of everything. When you’ve got everything from grocery stores, pubs, cafes, parks, cultural attractions, etc all within walking distance, your need to drive anywhere becomes occasional at most.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Who wants to live in a city centre though?

      The only appeal is that it’s close to work, and we no longer need to go to that.

      • stoly@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 months ago

        It’s so nice to have everything within a 5 block radius. Everything I need is there. No cars, no traffic, just lots of constant exercise and fresh air. When I want to go to a museum, I go to a museum–no gas, driving, parking. When I want to go to a concert, I jump on the subway and go to a concert. But go on, tell us how living in suburbs and breathing the fumes from the car in front of you is better.

          • stoly@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            10 months ago

            This isn’t 1980. Cities are really not polluted. Those who live in the suburbs tend to be less healthy due to lack of activity and increased exposure to the pollution emitted from cars.

            • Haha@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              10 months ago

              If you are in the US or EU, maybe? Look at the third words though. This fresh air claim does not apply to everywhere in the world: especially when talking about downtown.

  • Quacksalber@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    10 months ago

    I sympatize with folk that want to stay home, but I personally am functioning much better in an office environment with those talked-about chance encounters. I am interested to see where we will be in 10-20 years when it comes to working from home.

    • _number8_@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 months ago

      ok? and they aren’t, that’s the point. it’s absolutely bewildering seeing so many people now defend the hellish grind that previously was at most grudgingly accepted as most of adult life - working 5 days in a row, out of the house all day, commuting, up early, no matter the weather or your mood or health. insane.

  • whoisearth@lemmy.caEnglish
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    10 months ago

    I’m really in a “don’t give a shit” phase because there’s valid reasons for WFH as well at RTO and I’d argue those in the extreme on both sides are idiots.

    That said, pragmatically everyone needs to understand the complexity of how we got here and no it’s not fully “the ruling class” demanding this. If we can’t justify commerical retail prices the economy is fucked and I mean that with a capital FUCKED.

    Now the reasons for that are multifaceted but how it involves all of us not just the rich, many pension plans around the world have aggressively invested in real estate. Those pension plans are for average people like all of us here. If commercial real estate prices tank there goes social security. There goes your 401k. There goes your RRSP.

    It’s very easy to blame an elite class but this problem is systemic and a result of how we have built the micro and macro economy.

    So to those that are on the extreme on both sides, calm the fuck down.

    • stoly@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 months ago

      LOL I can’t believe I just watched someone “both sides” the RTO argument.