The “”“problem of overshoot”“” is that the human species is still in the death grip of capitalism. The task of preserving a habitable world is not being ignored because humanity is just too stupid to understand how to do it, but because it’s incredibly profitable for a tiny handful of extremely rich and powerful people to enforce the current course by any means necessary, including extreme violence - or indeed, funding academics to point the blame at anything but themselves. “It’s just human nature!”
I would respond to the problem of ‘over’ shoot by ‘exactly’ shooting the capitalists in their rotten hearts, with the help of an army of communist soldiers.
Right, the “overshoot” is the paper clip maximizer that is inherent to capitalism. And it’s not human nature to think in “simplistic, reductionist, mechanical ways,” as if dialectical materialism is beyond the capacity of the common H. Sapiens brain pan. Unsurprisingly, China that is leading the way while the monopoly capitalists of the imperial core are clamoring that China is “overproducing” green technology. Whatever one might think of the 1979–2015 One-child policy, it proves that foresight, planning, and successful implementation of massive mitigations are possible.
To be fair, if there’s a coherent definition of ecofascism, I’m not sure what it is, and I think I have seen ecofascism be over-applied, and I didn’t read the entire article nor look deeply into Rees’ body of work. But eugenics, ecofascism, and capitalism are closely linked.
Your book presents a belief in eugenics as one of the most important intellectual threads that runs through Palo Alto’s history. Is eugenics still a force in the region today?
We’ve seen a huge swing back towards eugenic philosophy in Palo Alto. There are a lot of startups invested in eugenic technology. If you ask people, “Is that eugenics?” they’ll say “No!” But if you ask, “Are you trying to improve the quality of the baby stock?” “Well, yes, obviously.” These people are constantly forgetting the names for what they’re doing, intentionally, or as a useful adaptation, because then they can sell old-school eugenics as some new app.
To be fair the ecofascists and the palo alto eugenics crowd are different crowds so shouldn’t conflate them as being the same.
Also there is nothing inherently immoral about eugenics unless its coerced. If you read the history of eugenics you will see many leftists and anarchists had nuanced pro-eugenics arguments that were life-affirming and non coercive .
Also i kind of think ecofascists are almost a myth. I spent the majority of my life purposely seeking out and interacting with everyone from the most extremist libertarians to anarchists to all the flavors of leftists to weird neoreactionary occultists . In my entire life ive only interacted with one person that had ecofascism as part of their identity and they are primarily an internet blogger edgelord.
the fascists fucking hate nature and see it as an abomination to be dominated and converted to money for the most part, they see ecology as the domain of homos and liberals. This is why the venn diagram of eco and fascii doesnt have much overlap
Please don’t use the term ecofascist indiscriminately. We don’t do that around here.
How would you respond to the problem of overshoot?
The “”“problem of overshoot”“” is that the human species is still in the death grip of capitalism. The task of preserving a habitable world is not being ignored because humanity is just too stupid to understand how to do it, but because it’s incredibly profitable for a tiny handful of extremely rich and powerful people to enforce the current course by any means necessary, including extreme violence - or indeed, funding academics to point the blame at anything but themselves. “It’s just human nature!”
I would respond to the problem of ‘over’ shoot by ‘exactly’ shooting the capitalists in their rotten hearts, with the help of an army of communist soldiers.
Right, the “overshoot” is the paper clip maximizer that is inherent to capitalism. And it’s not human nature to think in “simplistic, reductionist, mechanical ways,” as if dialectical materialism is beyond the capacity of the common H. Sapiens brain pan. Unsurprisingly, China that is leading the way while the monopoly capitalists of the imperial core are clamoring that China is “overproducing” green technology. Whatever one might think of the 1979–2015 One-child policy, it proves that foresight, planning, and successful implementation of massive mitigations are possible.
To be fair, if there’s a coherent definition of ecofascism, I’m not sure what it is, and I think I have seen ecofascism be over-applied, and I didn’t read the entire article nor look deeply into Rees’ body of work. But eugenics, ecofascism, and capitalism are closely linked.
From the above-linked Harris interview:
Big Oil Helped Shape Stanford’s Latest Climate-Research Focus
To be fair the ecofascists and the palo alto eugenics crowd are different crowds so shouldn’t conflate them as being the same.
Also there is nothing inherently immoral about eugenics unless its coerced. If you read the history of eugenics you will see many leftists and anarchists had nuanced pro-eugenics arguments that were life-affirming and non coercive .
Also i kind of think ecofascists are almost a myth. I spent the majority of my life purposely seeking out and interacting with everyone from the most extremist libertarians to anarchists to all the flavors of leftists to weird neoreactionary occultists . In my entire life ive only interacted with one person that had ecofascism as part of their identity and they are primarily an internet blogger edgelord.
the fascists fucking hate nature and see it as an abomination to be dominated and converted to money for the most part, they see ecology as the domain of homos and liberals. This is why the venn diagram of eco and fascii doesnt have much overlap
Come on man this whistle woke my cremated dog up