Ever seen someone doing their “unskilled job” all their life? It’s just fucking magic!

The truth is that capitalists hate skilled workers, because those workers have bargaining power. This is why they love the sort of automation which completely removes workers or thought from the equation, even if the ultimate solution is multiple times more expensive or less competent than before.

Nothing is more infuriating to a boss, than a worker that can talk back with experience.

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    6 months ago

    I disagree. A skill is a skill. Some are more skilled than others IN THE SAME SKILL. You cannot objectively compare a different skill with another. If a skill required to do surgery is “more” than flipping a burger, then being good at surgery means you are magically good at flipping burgers, but that is not the case.

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      6 months ago

      It’s “more” in the sense that I learned how to flip burgers in a day. Can’t say I can learn to do surgery in a day.

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        6 months ago

        Then I suggest using the word more valuable skill than being more skilled. More valuable skill since it implies rarity and not some sort of hierarchy. That’s my take anyways from the word “some jobs require more skill”.

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            Well, yeah. I guess it is because I am often jumping fields because otherwise it can get confusing when switching context (I am a mechatronics engineer, so a blend of mechanical, electrical, control system, and programming)

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                    From my understanding, pedantic is a pedant, which itself means “a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules”. And aren’t we debating the usage of words unskilled from the post? I agree that “unskilled” is inappropriate since it implies it doesn’t require any skill at all. There are always skills involved. I also disagree if we call one job requires “more” skill than another. “More” implies that skills are hierarchial (at least to my understanding, because you can have more or less amount of something) whereas I think it is not. I think a skill is a skill, and what makes them distinct is how rare a skill is. Rarity however, doesn’t imply having “more” skill. A person can be MORE SKILLED IN THE SAME SKILL. Not across different skill. Hence why I said surgery doesn’t require MORE skill than burger flipping. They are distinct skill. If surgery requires MORE skill than burger flipping, then if a person is a good surgeon, he is a good burger flipper.

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      Some skills take longer to acquire. Much longer. Some require certain aptitudes. As you say you can be more skilled than another worker at the same job, because you have more experience, training, aptitude, or you just care more. How is paying them all the same in any way fair?

      Oh yes and some people have a greater number of skills than others. How is that not being more skilled than another?

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      I think the big part of it is the required time it takes to be considered competent. Like for arguments sake lets throw out cost of education. The amount of time and effort it takes to be considered a competent surgan is hundreds of times longer than training a competent burger flipper.

      Even with grilling there is different skill levels. A professional chef/smoker takes a long time to hone their art.

      I think everyone should be paid a living wage, but when people throw trained professionals that require years of experience in with cashiers or fast food cooks it really subtracts from their argument.

      We should be trying to elevate all jobs to a living wage while recognizing some jobs are just harder. Otherwise no one will listen.