Morale is low for the Dali's crew members, stranded on board by ongoing investigation into tragedy.

Morale is low for the Dali’s crew members, stranded on board by ongoing investigation into tragedy.

  • MrPibb@lemmynsfw.com
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    2 months ago

    I’m not discounting anything you said but this crew also killed six people with their negligence and knocked down a bridge. I feel worse for the families of the workers on the bridge they killed then I do them.

    • taanegl@beehaw.org
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      2 months ago

      Excuse me, wtf? You’re not “discounting”, but indirectly condemning the whole crew when obviously it was the navigator and captain responsible for the negligence? Not only that, but almost indirectly affirming that they all deserve to be there?

      “Oh I’m sorry, but this is ancient Egypt and you must be buried with the pharaoh.”

      Prick. And no, don’t come at me with “but those 6 people who died”, because that justifies nothing.

      • Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        2 months ago

        The ship had an engineering casualty which led to a loss of control. The navigator didn’t decide to drive into the bridge.

        The captain is ultimately responsible, but the crew is not without fault.

      • MrPibb@lemmynsfw.com
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        2 months ago

        You’re not “discounting”, but indirectly condemning the whole crew when obviously it was the navigator and captain responsible for the negligence?

        Passing through a zone where there is possibility for a collision is normally an all hands on deck situation. So yes, they are partially at fault.

        Prick. And no, don’t come at me with “but those 6 people who died”, because that justifies nothing.

        Tell me how you really feel. As stated before I feel bad for them, this entire ordeal sucks for everyone, but I feel WORSE for the people that will not see their loved ones again. And name calling, really?

        • 4am@lemm.ee
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          2 months ago

          Held without trial and modern America. Name a more iconic duo, I’ll wait.

          • MrPibb@lemmynsfw.com
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            2 months ago

            What are you waiting for? A witty retort that inspires an argument? Nothing I have said states that I agree with the treatment of the crew by the American government.

            • taanegl@beehaw.org
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              2 months ago

              Yeah, you did. You basically indirectly justified it, a favoured tactic by republican think tanks.

              “Corporate punishment is bad because the state shouldn’t get to kill people.”

              “BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RAPIST’S AND PEDOPHILES AND ALL THE EVIL PEOPLE incidentally I’m pro-life”…

              Same energy and tactic, bro.

        • protist@mander.xyzEnglish
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          2 months ago

          For someone with such strong opinions about this, I don’t think you know much about the operation of cargo ships…

    • FollyDolly@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      As far as I know, the crew did everything correctly, including alerting authorities to shut down traffic to the bridge. The one at fault here is the owner of the ship, who was deliberately forgoing repairs to squeeze out as much profit as possible.

    • livus@kbin.social
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      2 months ago

      Bit of a weird take. The ship had faulty equipment and the crew did what it could to try to avert the disaster.

      The ship’s owners are who you should blame.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Am I allowed to blame the moral hazard caused by the corporate diffusion of responsibility?

        • livus@kbin.social
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          2 months ago

          Definitely. Global shipping is riddled with moral hazard and artificial externalities.

      • taanegl@beehaw.org
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        2 months ago

        Fair enough, but that still does not justify them being stuck on a ship for several months, because 1) there is no “due process” (search online for it’s proper definition and not the perversed US instituonalist definition), 2) it’s punishment without verdict, and 3) it’s inhumane. Actually, it’s an edge case the US judicial system is not capable of handling, because the US judiciary is lead by morons.

        Again, you don’t get to justify this kind of treatment of people “because they did bad”. What’s next, a return to witch burning because the milk soured? The average deck hand, who had no power or influence over the matter, should have weeks of their pay disappear, because they are lightly implicated, meaning their families will go without food? Nuts to that.

        Why do yanks continuously defend, deflect and try to gloss over their own governments incompetence and unethical behaviour? The US needs dire judicial reform.