• Tiger666@lemmy.ca
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    No, what we have is capitalism. There has been no veering off course. You don’t know what capitalism is.

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      14 hours ago

      Actually, I do. It has a definition, one that all of you seem eager to twist and reshape into whatever suits your narrative.

      In reality, you’re the one who doesn’t understand it. You’re so far removed from the mechanics that you can’t even see what’s actually happening. Instead, you just blame “the system” and an amorphous blob of people you call “the rich.”

      It’s the worst kind of idealism, screaming at windmills while pretending to have some enlightened grasp of “what’s really going on.”

      You’re no different in rhetoric or philosophy from a MAGA supporter—just flipped to the opposite pole.

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        12 hours ago

        It has a definition

        Care to share it with the rest of the class?

        Also, do you have any examples of this ‘real capitalism’? Or at least a plan to keep capitalism ‘real’?

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        Oligarchy and capitalism are in no way incompatible.

        One is a form of governance, one is an economic system.

        That you would pose the notion of “we don’t have capitalism, we have oligarchy” shows that you don’t seem to know the definitions.

        You’re no different in rhetoric or philosophy from a MAGA supporter—just flipped to the opposite pole.

        MAGA has a lot more to do with hate for others and retribution for perceived slights than any coherent take on policy.

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          Out of all the idealistic head in the clouds idiots under my original comment you by far take the cake you are alone on a pedestal of stupid.

          You claim that I don’t know the definitions of capitalism and oligarchy when you can’t even use the words correctly.

          If anything you have no clue what those words mean nor have you understood a single word that I said.

          Capitalism and oligarchy are of course compatible which is why I called our current system of economics a corporate oligarchy.

          Please don’t respond there is no way you can save yourself.

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            Out of all the idealistic head in the clouds idiots under my original comment you by far take the cake you are alone on a pedestal of stupid.

            What about my comment made me seem idealistic? Or is this another word you don’t understand?

            You claim that I don’t know the definitions of capitalism and oligarchy when you can’t even use the words correctly.

            In what way did I use them incorrectly?

            If anything you have no clue what those words mean nor have you understood a single word that I said.

            Of course I haven’t understood what you said, you defined capitalism as

            Ownership of the means of production.

            Do you actually think this is a sensible response to that question?

            It doesn’t even say who owns it. Those exact words can be used to define communism, if you change who the “owners” are.

            Please don’t respond there is no way you can save yourself.

            Save myself from what? The stakes of this internet debate seem to be much higher for you than they are for me.

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        12 hours ago

        Monopolizing of certain productions, rabid financialization of the economy and extreme wealth agglomeration at the top, combined with rampant poverty at the bottom have been the go to in the US capitalism. There was only a relatively brief period in between, when the scare of communism forced the oligarchy to give some concessions before people get too angry.