• mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    472·
    6 months ago

    For people who say you should read the contract before agreeing to it. What about the hundreds of thousands? No, millions of people buying new windows laptops every year. Are they presented with any kind of agreement? I don’t think so.

    • StaySquared@lemmy.world
      4·
      6 months ago

      The same is happening with some of these new “smart” vehicles. Built-in software in these vehicles are the anti-thesis of freedom and privacy.

    • barsquid@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 months ago

      They are. It is a huge problem that companies are allowed to do clickwrap bullshit with no human-comprehensible summary. But people are agreeing to this stuff.

          • a Kendrick fan@lemmy.ml
            4·
            6 months ago

            how do you manage your system setup?

            btw, moving from arch to pop is strange, you’re supposed to go Gentoo or NixOS or LFS…

            • odium@programming.dev
              4·
              6 months ago

              Nix was my next plan lol. My last distro suddenly had some file system corruption problems mid week when I needed it, so I had to switch to something quick without much time for configuration. So I decided to go for a preconfigured distro.

              My next plan is Nix when I have some time.

              As for how I back stuff up for frequent distro hopping: Firefox login syncs my browser stuff and passwords, steam syncs my game save files, I backup my home folder to a USB once in a while so I don’t lose any local documents. I have private GitHub repos for some window manager, bar, etc configs I’ve made like sway, i3, polybar, awesomewm, etc., that I use when switching to more barebones distros.

          • lengau@midwest.social
            2·
            6 months ago

            I keep flip-flopping between Kate and pycharm community. I prefer Kate’s LSP access, but pycharm’s management of multiple projects is great.

            I wish I could easily set up Kate so it would open random text documents in a separate session from my session that’s running a certain project. And I wish it were aware of whether a session is running on the same activity. (In fact what I’d really like is per-activity Kate sessions).

            Trouble is, I’m not good enough at C++ to make a merge request for those features.

            • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
              2·
              6 months ago

              You guys are using graphical IDEs and text editors? I’ve been learning to program in neovim.

              • lengau@midwest.social
                1·
                6 months ago

                With 20+ years of using various Unix OS’s as my primary OS, I can say for sure that my answer to “vi or emacs?” is “neither.”

                • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
                  2·
                  6 months ago

                  Tbh, it just fits my workflow better. I would find myself editing stuff in nano more so than something like vscode because navigation in a file browser gets a little clunky for me. So it seemed fitting to learn neovim. I find the features more of a nuisance than a benefit at this stage and I want to properly understand how to use the underlying technologies these programs extract away.

                  I typically know exactly what I’m looking for and if I need more help I could check something out like fuzzy find. Those search boxes on file browsers are hit and miss for me, especially with Dot files. I store my scripts in a folder called .scripts and I reference them alot while building my apps.

                  Actually most my apps start out as scripts because prototyping is easier when you don’t initially worry about UI or optimization and focus on the core functionality.

  • efstajas@lemmy.world
    277·
    6 months ago

    Pretty funny how it says “Unauthorized access” right below screenshots of features clearly being enabled.

    • ColdWater@lemmy.ca
      2·
      6 months ago

      From my experience Windows have this system program called “CompatTelRunner.exe” that run silently in the background maybe once a month it’s send data to M$ and using a lot of CPU power while collecting data, now with Al being pushed to windows who knows what it could be doing in the background without user knowledge

    • rtxn@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      544·
      6 months ago

      Authorized without consent. That is what Louis Rossmann calls a rapist mentality.

      • ancap shark@lemmy.today
        527·
        6 months ago

        Users explicitly and willingly click on “I agree” to the Terms and Conditions. It might be undesirable, but it is consented

        • RustyNova@lemmy.world
          292·
          6 months ago

          Yes and no. While you are legally in the clear, in practice no one read those because of the huge amount of legalese.

          True consent is only obtainable if the person consenting understands what it means. Or else it’s just legal consent.

          • Eheran@lemmy.world
            62·
            6 months ago

            “just legal consent”… I mean sure, but you know how stupid most people are, right? There is no way to get the type of consent you want from them for any slightly complex topic.

          • ancap shark@lemmy.today
            110·
            6 months ago

            Your point of view makes sense. In my opinion though, when you agree without reading the terms, you’re basically saying “you’re allowed to do whatever you want”

            You are consenting, not with this or that, but with anything regarding that product, probably because you trust the company, or you don’t care enough

            • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
              11·
              6 months ago

              This attitude is what props up billions of people’s privacy being invaded with zero recourse. No. Just no.

              • ancap shark@lemmy.today
                13·
                6 months ago

                I think people here are misunderstanding reality evaluation with judgement of value.

                Every time you sign up for something without understanding what it is exactly, they are setting themselves up for failure. This doesn’t mean that the company is right, or what they are doing is fair and just. Microsoft is clearly morally dubious, but they did technically get you agreement with it. The one who signed up is wrong, not in valuing privacy, but in expecting, even for a single moment, that a corporation would have their best interest in mind. They only have revenue growth in mind, and that’s bu the very nature of how their business is organized.

                That’s why zero trust systems are important, and FOSS is a way of getting it. Being open source allows for anyone with enough technical knowledge to audit every part of the system, so you don’t need to trust a businessman

                • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
                  5·
                  6 months ago

                  So what you’re hand waving away here is legalese and how no one can understand much of it even if they did read it. Absolutely no one reads every page of the 50 you’re required to sign when buying a house, for example.

                  But we have trust that society wouldn’t allow us to buy a house if people are hiding sneaky shit in the contractual language. Yes we have a few things like variable interest rates but no one is signing away their privacy rights in perpetuity in exchange for the chance to buy a home. We have a society that gives us certain expectations, and quite often those are met.

                  No, to use a computer we should not have to read 100 pages of documents and understand all of them. It’s impractical and that’s illustrated by the fact that billions of people so far haven’t read any of that shit.

                  You are right that we ought to be more careful signing stuff, but that’s a separate discussion imo. We shouldn’t even have the option legally of accidentally agreeing to such self sabotage

        • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          353·
          6 months ago

          Say I buy a tomato. Tomato is sold to me as tomato, grown in a green house. It’s a good tomato.

          I bring it home and I cut into it to make salsa and find a razor blade. I didn’t see any markings on the outside. I don’t know how it got there.

          I go back to the store and say, “Dude, what the fuck is up with the razor blade?!”

          They say, “Oh, we noticed a lot of people buying tomatoes to cut them so we decided to include a razor blade! You’re welcome!”

          I say, “But I don’t want a razor blade. I just want the tomato!”

          They say, “Oh…that’s too bad. We think you’ll really like the razer blade.”

          I say, “I don’t care. I want a tomato without razor blades.”

          They say, “ok. Just make sure you present this very specific, very distinct bar code to the check out person.”

          I go and buy another tomato, present the barcode.

          I bring it home and it has a different type of blade inside it.

          I go back to the store and they say, “Well, you opted out of blade model a. This is blade model b.”

          I consented to buy a tomato. Not to buy a razer blade.

          I consented to install Windows OS, not fucking copilot, Cortana, Xbox central, etc.

          I should have full control over my OS, regardless of who makes it. Even Ubuntu Linux had some sketchy adware that had to be removed (this was like Ubuntu 18 or something can’t remember).

        • nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br
          15·
          6 months ago

          Most people are too tech illiterate to understand it all. I doubt people would agree to such a level of data collection, if they knew more about it. I believe it can be compared to making illiterate people sign a contract, when they can’t even read it.

        • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
          7·
          6 months ago

          Yeah this reminds me of the time I argued with a guy who stood firmly by the opinion that because Facebook has terms of service that people agreed to, there was nothing wrong or unethical about Facebook business practices and everyone who used it deserved what they got

              • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
                18·
                6 months ago

                I don’t use Facebook or any other privacy invading service. My point was that part of the issue is people being lazy and not caring about the terrible things in the terms of service they totally bothered to read.

    • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
      221·
      6 months ago

      “Authorized” in the sense that even if I set all these options to No, a future Windows update will reset them and not tell me.

  • Zink@programming.dev
    6·
    6 months ago

    This stuff affects the user experience too. I’ve been able to daily drive Linux at work for a few weeks now. Restarting and booting into windows, after being used to Linux on the same hardware, makes windows feel like the slow, cobbled together OS that you can get for free.

    I mean, we’re a Microsoft 365 company like many others, but even things like Teams and Outlook feel more responsive in Firefox in Linux than in the native apps on windows. Even video conferencing works great.

    This difference isn’t exactly new to me, and I’ve used Unix or Linux sporadically over the past couple decades. However, using it as my main work OS has really highlighted the differences. Hell, even the multi-monitor support is better!

    And this is with Mint Cinnamon installed, not some cutting edge or lean & fast distro.

    • Treczoks@lemmy.world
      13·
      6 months ago

      While there are ways to disable some aspects, most people don’t even know how to disable what they theoretically could.