If you had included the second sentence of your Edit in your first response I don’t think you would have received a single downvote.
I left my downvote there because of the second to last sentence of the Edit. Apparently you think everyone should know about every single feature in Windows because it might be there for someone who is disabled, and blame them for not being aware.
Do you think insulting people for not being aware of something, when the punchline for a meme is how people aren’t aware of the thing, is how meme boards are supposed to work?
I have not insulted anyone, I used the term “ignorant ableism” and “rando” in a general sense, not addressed to anyone in particular, if you feel alluded that’s on you not on me. On the contrary, I have been directly called “asshole” and “condescending” already for making an off the cuff comment not directed at anyone in particular because I was sitting in traffic and didn’t have time to type a full paragraph to appease the sensibilities of, as of then, completely unknown people who somehow feel personally attacked by the fact that people with disabilities exist.
What irks me is that this opinions are always from abled bodied white dudes from The Gamers™ demographic that feel the need to act as if someone having a nice thing that might slightly inconveniences their gaming sesh once is somehow an alien feature meant to hurt them. The absolute lack of empathy is palpable through the screen.
No, it is meme about people finding the unexpected popup they don’t understand about something they are not aware of to be annoying. There are a lot of options in windows that don’t have anything to do with disabilities that have similar popups which are also unexpected and annoying, this one just happens a lot for certain types of games.
Doubling down by making it about race too is comical. Do you think non-white people in the same situation don’t find the meme relatable?
I really think it’s less “I don’t understand and hate this accessibility feature” than “why is my computer suddenly interrupting what I’m doing to announce a feature I don’t need?” The press-5-times thing is the problem. Why would a mobility-limited person even think that was how you turn it on, rather than say… knowing where in the Config panel it is, or turning it on during the computer’s initial setup?
Computers also don’t default to having a screen reader going, TVs don’t usually default to having captions turned on (I’d personally love this being the norm, haha). It’s a strange option to suddenly activate due to an arcane key combo. It’d be like turning on the magnifier because you quad-clicked on something.
Why would a mobility-limited person even think that was how you turn it on?
Because it is a standard PC feature codified by ISO, present in all computers since 1994 that was specifically required by organizations for the rights of people with disabilities who had to fight the tech giants for it based on the direct feedback from people with disabilities, and sometimes was implemented in secrecy by rogue developers who believed on it.
I feel like you’re being deliberately rude and not reading what I said now. First off, thanks for dismissively passing me a link I need to pay $237 to read, no thanks ISO, but also I bet it doesn’t say you must enable sticky keys by pressing the key 5 times.
I know this because Macs don’t have this terrible shortcut enabled. You just turn sticky keys on in the Accessibility options. I also know this because the other article you posted tells the story of Gregg Vanderheiden, who wrote the first sticky keys driver in assembly and used the 5-press as a hack to signal for his driver to take over. Once the feature was officially implemented, the 5-press should no longer have been needed as a trigger.
And in fact, the “rogue developer” (Ed Tecot) who bravely worked on accessibility features from further down in the backlog for the Mac didn’t implement the 5-press either. And that article specifically calls out Microsoft, by the original designer, for having a bad shortcut!
It’s turned off by default on Macs—as the inventors intended. “You want sticky keys turned off by default because it’s just going to annoy them,” shared Vanderheiden in the call. “It doesn’t help you, it doesn’t help them, it doesn’t help the disability community.” But somehow, the wires got crossed with Windows, and to this day it’s enabled by default, an accidental 5-Shift-press away from discovery.
You asked “Why would a mobility-limited person even think that was how you turn it on?”
They know because they were the ones who asked for it. Just like the first thing a person learning to use computers is what the mouse clics does, the first thing a person with disabilities learn when dealing with computers is what the disabilities functions are, they are widely documented. The very popup that MS shows up has an extensive explanation of what it is and link to disable it immediately.
Maybe they didn’t explain everything that you wanted to know, but they were not replying to you. They were replying to OP.
OP wondered what Sticky Keys was for, not what it is. The comment answered that it is for anyone who might need it to operate a computer, while highlighting that the needs of that population are often forgotten or ignored.
If you want further clarification you are welcome to ask. You don’t have meet a perceived slight with further condescension.
Thanks. Next time someone asks about something, like say about a car part, and someone condescendingly replies that it’s for a car because they exist I will remember your courage and heroic defense of the above douchenozzle and proceed to do in the future what I did earlier.
Not everyone has knowledge of everything, and on a social platform it is common to share experiences and to converse about what you may have learned since them, or what you already knew that others might not. I skipped down to the credits to educate myself about sticky keys precisely because I didn’t know what they were for and had shared the aforementioned frustrating experience.
This attitude is one step away from coming to a social gathering of any sort and telling people to Google whatever they ask about instead of just having a conversation. Sometimes I worry that my social skills have slipped or evaporated until I come across a scene like this one.
it lets you mimic holding down multiple buttons at a time while only holding down 1 button. Its primary use case is for people who would struggle holding down multiple buttons at once, as the person you are responding to said.
People with disabilities exist, and they use computers too.
If you had included the second sentence of your Edit in your first response I don’t think you would have received a single downvote.
I left my downvote there because of the second to last sentence of the Edit. Apparently you think everyone should know about every single feature in Windows because it might be there for someone who is disabled, and blame them for not being aware.
Sir, this is a meme board. I was on my commute. I have no accountability to randos on the internet.
Do you think insulting people for not being aware of something, when the punchline for a meme is how people aren’t aware of the thing, is how meme boards are supposed to work?
I have not insulted anyone, I used the term “ignorant ableism” and “rando” in a general sense, not addressed to anyone in particular, if you feel alluded that’s on you not on me. On the contrary, I have been directly called “asshole” and “condescending” already for making an off the cuff comment not directed at anyone in particular because I was sitting in traffic and didn’t have time to type a full paragraph to appease the sensibilities of, as of then, completely unknown people who somehow feel personally attacked by the fact that people with disabilities exist.
Maybe you shouldn’t throw insults around while in traffic and then escalate to more insults when people point it out.
My comment was: People with disabilities exist.
Your take: I’m being personally insulted.
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Then maybe just stop being an asshole?
What irks me is that this opinions are always from abled bodied white dudes from The Gamers™ demographic that feel the need to act as if someone having a nice thing that might slightly inconveniences their gaming sesh once is somehow an alien feature meant to hurt them. The absolute lack of empathy is palpable through the screen.
No, it is meme about people finding the unexpected popup they don’t understand about something they are not aware of to be annoying. There are a lot of options in windows that don’t have anything to do with disabilities that have similar popups which are also unexpected and annoying, this one just happens a lot for certain types of games.
Doubling down by making it about race too is comical. Do you think non-white people in the same situation don’t find the meme relatable?
You know what they say, not all white men, but somehow always a white men.
LoL
Yea that is true, but you’re not answering op’s question.
I really think it’s less “I don’t understand and hate this accessibility feature” than “why is my computer suddenly interrupting what I’m doing to announce a feature I don’t need?” The press-5-times thing is the problem. Why would a mobility-limited person even think that was how you turn it on, rather than say… knowing where in the Config panel it is, or turning it on during the computer’s initial setup?
Computers also don’t default to having a screen reader going, TVs don’t usually default to having captions turned on (I’d personally love this being the norm, haha). It’s a strange option to suddenly activate due to an arcane key combo. It’d be like turning on the magnifier because you quad-clicked on something.
Because it is a standard PC feature codified by ISO, present in all computers since 1994 that was specifically required by organizations for the rights of people with disabilities who had to fight the tech giants for it based on the direct feedback from people with disabilities, and sometimes was implemented in secrecy by rogue developers who believed on it.
I feel like you’re being deliberately rude and not reading what I said now. First off, thanks for dismissively passing me a link I need to pay $237 to read, no thanks ISO, but also I bet it doesn’t say you must enable sticky keys by pressing the key 5 times.
I know this because Macs don’t have this terrible shortcut enabled. You just turn sticky keys on in the Accessibility options. I also know this because the other article you posted tells the story of Gregg Vanderheiden, who wrote the first sticky keys driver in assembly and used the 5-press as a hack to signal for his driver to take over. Once the feature was officially implemented, the 5-press should no longer have been needed as a trigger.
And in fact, the “rogue developer” (Ed Tecot) who bravely worked on accessibility features from further down in the backlog for the Mac didn’t implement the 5-press either. And that article specifically calls out Microsoft, by the original designer, for having a bad shortcut!
You asked “Why would a mobility-limited person even think that was how you turn it on?”
They know because they were the ones who asked for it. Just like the first thing a person learning to use computers is what the mouse clics does, the first thing a person with disabilities learn when dealing with computers is what the disabilities functions are, they are widely documented. The very popup that MS shows up has an extensive explanation of what it is and link to disable it immediately.
It’s a problem when Windows fails to properly disable an accessibility feature after a user chooses to disable it.
Good thing it doesn’t fail at that when you actually read the settings and disable it properly.
I haven’t had the sticky key pop-up in like 10 years, on multiple Windows versions.
Nobody, anywhere in this thread, said they don’t.
Wow, imagine being this condescending and still not explaining anything!
Maybe they didn’t explain everything that you wanted to know, but they were not replying to you. They were replying to OP.
OP wondered what Sticky Keys was for, not what it is. The comment answered that it is for anyone who might need it to operate a computer, while highlighting that the needs of that population are often forgotten or ignored.
If you want further clarification you are welcome to ask. You don’t have meet a perceived slight with further condescension.
Thanks. Next time someone asks about something, like say about a car part, and someone condescendingly replies that it’s for a car because they exist I will remember your courage and heroic defense of the above douchenozzle and proceed to do in the future what I did earlier.
Not everyone has knowledge of everything, and on a social platform it is common to share experiences and to converse about what you may have learned since them, or what you already knew that others might not. I skipped down to the credits to educate myself about sticky keys precisely because I didn’t know what they were for and had shared the aforementioned frustrating experience.
This attitude is one step away from coming to a social gathering of any sort and telling people to Google whatever they ask about instead of just having a conversation. Sometimes I worry that my social skills have slipped or evaporated until I come across a scene like this one.
it lets you mimic holding down multiple buttons at a time while only holding down 1 button. Its primary use case is for people who would struggle holding down multiple buttons at once, as the person you are responding to said.
I sincerely appreciate it.
That isn’t what they said. Someone could guess if they knew how sticky keys worked but there are many types of disabilites.