Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said the reelection of former President Trump would be the “end of democracy” in an interview released Saturday by The Guardian.

“It will be the end of democracy, functional democracy,” Sanders said in the interview.

The Vermont senator also said in the interview that he thinks that another round of Trump as the president will be a lot more extreme than the first.

“He’s made that clear,” Sanders said. “There’s a lot of personal bitterness, he’s a bitter man, having gone through four indictments, humiliated, he’s going to take it out on his enemies. We’ve got to explain to the American people what that means to them — what the collapse of American democracy will mean to all of us.”

Sanders’s words echo those President Biden made in a recent campaign speech during which he said that Trump’s return to the presidency would risk American democracy. The president highlighted the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol in an attempt to cement a point about Trump and other Republicans espousing a kind of extremism that was seen by the world on that day.

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    Lmao the Guardian source article made me double take on the first paragraph:

    That big B looks as if it doesn’t just apply to the first line.

    Bernie Sanders sweeps into his state office in Burlington, Vermont, Bitching to get on with our interview. When I try to break the ice by Basking the US senator how he is, he replies gruffly, “Good,”

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    Voters should have never been put in this position. If we have to depend on Joe Biden and Dems to clutch out the win and save Democracy then you might as well start bracing for the worst. “Not being Trump” is low bar a dangerous way to try to win.

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      He has done a pretty solid job, and has passed some good legislation. If it weren’t for this whole funding Israel’s horrific war crime thing, I’d have no qualms giving him more time to clean shit up.

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    He’s right. Of course, this won’t stop “BOTH SIDES” fans, who want fascism in America more than anything else in the world.

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      They are moving away from “Both Sides” and starting “Biden supports genocide.” It’s just a new way for below average people to think they’re smarter than everyone else.

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        Biden does support Genocide, in this particular instance. Giving him hell for it and trying to do what people can in order to save all the innocent people getting bombed and shot right now, is fine.

        Trump is still infinitely worse. If you think 20,000 dead Gazans is bad, wait until you see what Trump wants to do. Last time around, he fucked up the response to a global crisis that’s currently killed over a million Americans, and that was without even trying; and without any of the vengeful things he’s itching to do this time around if he gets in.

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          The salient point here that so many people are missing is that allowing Trump to be elected because of some misguided ideological purity will absolutely do nothing to protect or liberate the Palestinian people, so why even pretend to care about that, if you aren’t a right wing troll? Allowing far right demagogues to usurp control of western nations will, in fact, cause untold suffering of billions. Palestinians included.

          If you are an actual leftist, then it is your duty to consider this moral liability, and soak in the discomfort of the situation with the rest of us. Ideological purity does not cleanse you from this, not matter how much you wish that.

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            People for whom support for genocide is a dealbreaker exist whether you understand them or not.

            If Biden wants their votes, he cannot continue to support genocide.

            No amount of insults or accusations will change that.

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              Those people are going to share some responsibility for the much worse genocide that Trump ushers in, then. They can claim it’s not their fault if that happens, but they’ll be lying.

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                Preemptively blaming them for the loss that centrist Democrats would prefer to having to abandon support for genocide hasn’t changed the situation:

                If Biden wants the votes of people for whom genocide is a dealbreaker, he cannot continue supporting genocide.

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                  Good luck in the hellscape that’s coming, then. You’ll have the comfort of your explanation for why it’s not your fault.

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                No we won’t. We didn’t want Biden in the first place. The blame lies with every piece of shit who voted for him in the 2020 primaries.

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        Whoa people are mad that their president is funding a genocide?? :0

        Smh they should just stfu and vote. Who cares about foreigners dying

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          Trump didn’t care about US citizens dying, or did he apologize for fucking up his covid response yet?

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            Lmao did you think I was suggesting he’s somehow better?

            I just find it funny that Americans pretend like their bourgeois “democracy” isn’t just a poorly veiled oligarchy where you get to “choose” between the genocidal zionazi party and the fascist party.

            Neither of whom give a fuck about the working class, though one is a bit better at pretending like they do.

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                How is what Americans pretend to do relevant here?

                Ah sorry, were we talking about African elections?

                did you think I am American?

                When did I say you were?

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                  Oh so you just went on some rant about Americans as a reply to me even though it’s not relevant at all, gotcha

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              One side is clearly better unless you do false equivalence, look at the mortality rate of mothers in states with abortion bans and without etc.

              I know this is not as edgy of a take as your both sides cuntery but there is clearly a better and worse choice for the US regardless what kind of zionazi epic words you want to use from your basement setup.

              It’s not like Americans don’t know their system is broken, but it’s not like they can fix it one day to the next, they have an election coming up where they have to choose between a shit candidate and a straight up fascist who tried to overthrow their election

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                Yeah I do agree people should probably still vote for the genocide party, as long as they’re organizing outside the system and building class consciousness to eventually overthrow it.

                Just that they shouldn’t pretend like they’re not voting for a genocidal zionazi.

                what kind of zionazi epic words

                Are “genocide” and “nazi” also “epic words”? It conveys the fact that Biden is a zionist and a nazi quite well, no? Specially when I’ve linked him admitting he is one.

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                  He’s backing Israel because it’s what they’ve always done. It’s a strategic alliance. It’s Nathan yahoo dropping bombs on cities

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    The U.S. was never a democracy to begin with. The Constitution decreed that only rich white males had the vote. Excluding a majority of the population makes it an oligarchy, not a democracy.

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      Never a democracy

      I hear this more and more all over the place. Promoted everywhere seemingly to say it doesn’t matter if everything gets torn down and the US Constitution ripped up— because it’s all BS anyways, right?

      The US is a Democratic Republic. Simple As.

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    That already happened in 2010 with Citizens United, and the late Justice John Paul Stevens’ dissent nailed it:

    “A democracy cannot function effectively when its constituent members believe laws are being bought and sold.”

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      You should know, anyone that says “genocide Joe” unironically isn’t fooling anyone. It’s generally seen as a conservative dogwhistle round these parts.

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        Genocide Joe is a nickname coined and used by progressives.

        Calling it a dogwhistle is generally seen as IDF propganda around these parts.

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          no progressive use that term. you’re being intentionally disingenuous and it’s obvious to anyone.

          any reasonable progressive doesn’t like America’s support of Israel right now but we are all very aware that drump would be worse in all of the ways. so your attitude is pointless and clearly just unnecessary agitation.

          I see your username making dumb and controversial comments all the time. high time I block your trolling ass.

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            Label us whatever you want. I voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and I won’t be voting for him again. The label is irrelevant, all that matters is if you think you need my vote. If you don’t think you need it then ignore me. If you think you need it then start fucking paying attention.

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              right. so genocide plus fascism is better than just genocide. makes perfect sense.