Pretty sure science does have evidence that there is heavy influence from how someone grows? Obviously how someone is raised can change their attitude towards identities, even as far as making ignorant people closet and resent themselves without even truly knowing why.
So… it’s pretty obvious that it’s both. It’s just an open question as to how much each affect, and I’d bet it’s wholly subjective anyways.
Yeah, it just bothers me when people reject “you are not born LGBT” as though it’s somehow a bigoted opinion. I guess they hear “not born” and mentally substitute “it’s a choice.”
I mean… that is the implication. What I said was, “it is clearly both.” They ARE born different, and their life has allowed them to figure out how they are different and hopefully explore it in healthy ways for those that openly identify.
Any direct, unqualified statement of, “you are not born different” is directly and completely wrong.
No. I’m not aware of any evidence that one is born with the propensity to be LGBT. It’s well-known that it’s not a choice, but that is not the same as saying that you’re genetically predetermined to be LGBT. Twin studies disprove that.
Any direct, unqualified statement of, “you are born different” is directly and completely wrong.
No, you’re just being an ignorant fool with that one. There would be no people so closeted that they hate themselves and don’t know why if there were no genetic inclinations.
Pretty sure science does have evidence that there is heavy influence from how someone grows? Obviously how someone is raised can change their attitude towards identities, even as far as making ignorant people closet and resent themselves without even truly knowing why.
So… it’s pretty obvious that it’s both. It’s just an open question as to how much each affect, and I’d bet it’s wholly subjective anyways.
Yeah, it just bothers me when people reject “you are not born LGBT” as though it’s somehow a bigoted opinion. I guess they hear “not born” and mentally substitute “it’s a choice.”
I mean… that is the implication. What I said was, “it is clearly both.” They ARE born different, and their life has allowed them to figure out how they are different and hopefully explore it in healthy ways for those that openly identify.
Any direct, unqualified statement of, “you are not born different” is directly and completely wrong.
No. I’m not aware of any evidence that one is born with the propensity to be LGBT. It’s well-known that it’s not a choice, but that is not the same as saying that you’re genetically predetermined to be LGBT. Twin studies disprove that.
Any direct, unqualified statement of, “you are born different” is directly and completely wrong.
No, you’re just being an ignorant fool with that one. There would be no people so closeted that they hate themselves and don’t know why if there were no genetic inclinations.
That is how most people who say that mean it.