Your conclusion (which I assume is implied) might be something like,
Mathematical models built on text data many times greater than the entirety of Wikipedia (which is 13GB) do a good job simulating human conversations (so, passing the Turing test), THEREFORE, homo sapiens lack an innate capacity for language (i.e., the UG Hypothesis is fundamentally mistaken).
My issue is that I just don’t see how to draw this conclusion from your premises. If you were to reformulate your premises into a valid argument structure, we can discuss them and find some common ground.
You haven’t demonstrated that you have any real comprehension of the domain, or that you bring anything interesting enough to this conversation to warrant furtherance.
Well those are harsh words for someone who can’t even state a valid argument. I mean do you expect me to guess how your conclusion comes from your unrelated premises?
Heck, you could ask an LLM to do it for you! Feed this gobbledygook into Bing and tell me what your argument is so that we can discuss it.
The saddest thing about your responses, in spite of their multiple edits, is that you think you are actually serious in whatever it is you think you are doing.
Its disappointing because you can’t actually do this thing which you wish you were capable of. You can only imitate it, and in doing so, you mock both yourself and the thing you appear to revere so much.
You could just actually engage with the points being made, but I think we both know you aren’t capable. So you resort to self-fellatio. And its sad, because its not just you, but an entire generation of pseudo-intellectuals who almost know how to have a complex discussion on difficult topics. But when your favorite comic book hero gets called out for pushing a unfalsifiable theory, that basically held the field captive for 50 years, you get all tied up in knots. Its because you aren’t actually engaging with the material intellectually, but emotionally.
There is nothing confusing about someone as simple as you. You don’t understand Chomsky, you don’t understand LLM’s, and you don’t even really understand the conversation we’re having now. You don’t engage with the points people are actually making, just the ones you wish they made.
The Universal Grammar (UG) hypothesis is the idea that human languages, as superficially diverse as they are, share some fundamental similarities, and that these are attributable to innate principles unique to language.
Premise 1 (UG): Human languages share an underlying structure.
Premise 2: LLM’s can be trained to use human languages without the need for any underlying structure. Such an underlying structure is unnecessary for language acquisition.
Therefore, UG is false.
Not bad for a first attempt, but can you see the problem? The argument above is assuming the consequent. Just because it is not necessary for something to be true, doesn’t mean it isn’t. Let’s try again.
Premise 1 (UG): Human languages share an underlying structure.
Premise 2: LLM’s can be trained to use human languages without the need for any underlying structure. Such an underlying structure is unnecessary for language acquisition.
Premise 3: Human minds and brains operate in a manner relevantly similar to LLM’s, at least when it comes to language acquisition.
Therefore, UG is false.
This argument is valid.
Of course, I would push back on both premise 2 and 3, which are difficult to believe, but at least we are clear about our claims.
Your conclusion (which I assume is implied) might be something like,
My issue is that I just don’t see how to draw this conclusion from your premises. If you were to reformulate your premises into a valid argument structure, we can discuss them and find some common ground.
You haven’t demonstrated that you have any real comprehension of the domain, or that you bring anything interesting enough to this conversation to warrant furtherance.
Well those are harsh words for someone who can’t even state a valid argument. I mean do you expect me to guess how your conclusion comes from your unrelated premises?
Heck, you could ask an LLM to do it for you! Feed this gobbledygook into Bing and tell me what your argument is so that we can discuss it.
I’ve been both cogent and clear as to what my points are, and you’ve made none. You are a joke if you think yourself an intellectual.
You cogently failed to produce a valid argument. I can’t even engage with your claims because they are unrelated to your conclusion.
Also, I don’t “think [myself] an intellectual.” I just don’t make sweeping theoretical claims I can’t even syllogize into a valid argument.
The saddest thing about your responses, in spite of their multiple edits, is that you think you are actually serious in whatever it is you think you are doing.
Its disappointing because you can’t actually do this thing which you wish you were capable of. You can only imitate it, and in doing so, you mock both yourself and the thing you appear to revere so much.
You could just actually engage with the points being made, but I think we both know you aren’t capable. So you resort to self-fellatio. And its sad, because its not just you, but an entire generation of pseudo-intellectuals who almost know how to have a complex discussion on difficult topics. But when your favorite comic book hero gets called out for pushing a unfalsifiable theory, that basically held the field captive for 50 years, you get all tied up in knots. Its because you aren’t actually engaging with the material intellectually, but emotionally.
I’m not sure how I confused you so much, or why you would find the request for a syllogized version of your sweeping theoretical claim surprising.
There is nothing confusing about someone as simple as you. You don’t understand Chomsky, you don’t understand LLM’s, and you don’t even really understand the conversation we’re having now. You don’t engage with the points people are actually making, just the ones you wish they made.
You’re just a sad little jack off.
“this thread is a wild fucking ride”
-chompsky deepfake
Premise 1 (UG): Human languages share an underlying structure.
Premise 2: LLM’s can be trained to use human languages without the need for any underlying structure. Such an underlying structure is unnecessary for language acquisition.
Therefore, UG is false.
Not bad for a first attempt, but can you see the problem? The argument above is assuming the consequent. Just because it is not necessary for something to be true, doesn’t mean it isn’t. Let’s try again.
Premise 1 (UG): Human languages share an underlying structure.
Premise 2: LLM’s can be trained to use human languages without the need for any underlying structure. Such an underlying structure is unnecessary for language acquisition.
Premise 3: Human minds and brains operate in a manner relevantly similar to LLM’s, at least when it comes to language acquisition.
Therefore, UG is false.
This argument is valid.
Of course, I would push back on both premise 2 and 3, which are difficult to believe, but at least we are clear about our claims.