• HalfSalesman@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    Yes they are.

    One can hate capitalism and also hate Stalinists. The “good vs bad guy” ideology is just projection on your part.

    I could nitpick and state I’m not a liberal as well but whatever tankies call every other non-tankie leftist a liberal so who fucking cares.

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      11 hours ago

      Yes they are.

      No, they are not.

      deliberately divorcing emotion from the decision process and just looking at the facts as best I am able to understand.

      OK. Non-sequitor.

      The “good vs bad guy” ideology is just projection on your part.

      Nope; learn what projection means.

      I could nitpick and state I’m not a liberal as well but whatever tankies call every other non-tankie leftist a liberal so who fucking cares.

      The irony here is that liberals call everybody to the left of them “tankies”. Take note; this is what projection actually looks like.

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        10 hours ago

        OK. Non-sequitor.

        IDK where you got that I did not write “deliberately divorcing emotion from the decision process and just looking at the facts as best I am able to understand.” … are you mixing up different replies?

        The irony here is that liberals call everybody to the left of them “tankies”. Take note; this is what projection actually looks like.

        There is no irony, the words “Tankie” and “Liberal” are not equivalent. Tankie is always a pejorative in response to specific stated politics. Liberal is an ideological identity that sometimes is used as a pejorative by some leftists because its an accusation that they actually secretly support capitalism. Its that you fundamentally don’t engage with the actual stated beliefs and decide that we actually believe something else entirely. Sort of like how actual liberals get called communists by fascists, nazis, and other far right conservatives.

        If you wanted to say, call me a “Anarkiddy” or something that would at least be a little closer to the same thing as me calling you a Tankie. I’m not really strictly an anarchist anymore either, but still I’m infinitely closer to that than liberal.

        The reason this matters is that specifically if I actually was a liberal, I wouldn’t be annoyed by Tankies and Campists using the word “liberal” as a pejorative against non-tankie/campist leftists. I’d just embrace the label.

        I don’t embrace the label. I’m not a liberal. I just also don’t take the accusation from Tankies that I’m a liberal seriously anymore. I’m mostly just annoyed by the extremely boring and tiresome intellectual dishonesty.