White Americans are being debourgeoisified and kicked back down the class ladder into the rest of the working class
Not true, the petty-bourgeoisie and semi-proletariat is always being decommissioned in one area and rebuilt in another, as such is the nature of boom-bust. Incomes for USian workers has been increasing for 4/5ths of the population since WW2. Minimum wage in the US is over twice Mexican industrial wages (and these are good union jobs). Exploitation wages (surplus-value extraction) is practically illegal for most wage work in the US (exceptions exist for undocumented and child labor in the agricultural sector, a tip when reading laws is to look for “customary hiring practices”). There is “cycling” and “shuffling” of property and access to means of production within the white “nation”, but overall it is getting richer yoy.
Incomes have been “increasing” but when you factor in inflation they’ve been essentially flat since the 70s.
Now this new inflation and high interest rate environment and loss of USD supremacy is actually eroding wages in relation to the cost of living. The result is white workers being debourgeoisified. Note I’m not saying they’re kicked down into a position of superexploitation. That’s not really possible, obviously, since there’s no imperial core to benefit from superexploitation of white US workers.
Times are changing.
I’ll also note that internal superexploitation also exists within the prison industrial complex in addition to undocumented migrant labor.
Women entering workforce + tens of millions of immigrants + not counting benefits = average wage stagnating while total wealth increases.
losing 3 dollars from 24 dollars to 21 dollars since 1970 when a good union factory job in Mexico (a tariff-free zone for the US market) is 3 dollars total, I’m suspicious in this “debourgeoisification” angle.
Women being forced into the labor force (they were already working before they had jobs!) means that the unpaid work of the reproduction of labor becomes a second job. You know why family size has declined? It’s because everyone has to work and no one can afford childcare while they’re all at work because they’re not bourgeoisified anymore!That’s a sign of the decline of the quality of life for white workers i.e. debourgeoisification.
Family size decreased because more households were created (i.e. people moved out sooner, less multi-generational households). USian consumption has never decreased. Women were not forced to work, work became more available to them and then at a certain point it became a necessity for white women to work for white households to stay competitive and maintain segregation, women of other backgrounds were already working wage labor. Also birthrates are declining in Imperialist nations mostly due to policies that cut down teen parenthood (increased bodily autonomy, contraceptives and sex education, more access to higher education, more things to consume as opposed to raising children).
“afford childcare”: More and more USians do not live with family or support systems that assist in child-rearing, this is due to their ability not to. Childcare costs a lot in the US because it costs a lot to hire Americans to do anything (globally high wages!). These economic dynamics in reproductive relations are experienced broadly in all Imperialist societies. It’s a matter of class struggle that some other Imperialist states have subsidized childcare (the US does too, through tax breaks and public education, it just sucks). On a global level, it’s very privileged to pay someone to watch your kids, just because it costs a significant chunk of paychecks doesn’t mean it isn’t historically a bourgeois privilege, and less non-white women are forced to take waged domestic labor up since more jobs are available elsewhere. BTW, inflation for USD is due to a surplus of capital in the country, which is turned into novel industries (Hollywood, Malls, Amazon shopping, Silicon Valley, new cars, new guns), housing speculation, and “sin-taxes” (gambling, drugs, lootboxes). USD inflation is the result of the “Clipping Coupons” part of Imperialism.
No legal US working relationship outside of “customary agriculture” (migrant/child exploitation) is at exploitation level wages. Minimum wage is above Chinese factory wages, you’re going to need to see people getting 2-4 dollars before regular exploitation hits. Super-exploitation is the 60 cent wages seen in Haiti.
White men have been leaving the labor force since the 50s. Black men have been leaving too, but for different reasons, in different directions. This points to an increase in bourgeois white men.
“Cost of living” is an obfuscation. Poor Brazilian workers do not live in Favelas because their cost of living is lower, but that their wages are tiny so they can’t afford a well constructed home:
I’m not saying that bourgeoisification has already been eliminated or that we have reached the end of superprofits and their redistribution to the US working class, I merely contend that it’s begun its decline and is stratifying into even smaller and smaller subsections of the white working class. It would also be some time before we see the effects on things like air conditioning because of the inertia from previous development. The already installed air conditioners don’t just go away - people just stop running them.
US inflation used to be something that could be exported onto the rest of the world, but now the chickens are coming home to roost. The surplus of dollars is a poor explanation (kind of libertarian tbh), it only explains half the problem. The other side of the surplus comes from declining demand for dollars. The US sanctions regime has overreached on Russia and is now bifurcating the global economy into “countries that can trade with the US” and “everyone else” which created a boom in non-dollar trade. The high interest rate environment, too, is hurting demand for loans in US dollars as countries look for other sources of capital and deleverage themselves from US loans and debts.
The US is still superexploiting those workers in Brazil and Mexico; US workers are not going to be living like them in the near future! Yet as worker’s struggle in Latin America brings a new pink tide we are going to see more trade in national currency, more internal development, more investment from outside the US, and ultimately less superexploitation.
Surplus capital is not a “libertarian thing”, it’s a Lenin thing, it’s the reason why capital is exported.
Where is the money going? Police, judicial, and carceral costs are increasing year over year. Capital is coming in from other Imperialist states and neo-Colonial outposts, which is fueling both housing construction and housing cost at the same time. There has never been more homes to workers in the US than right now.
And if you find my other post quoting Lenin, the petty bourgs are constantly being destroyed and refreshed, which is why the workers movement consistently gains new revisionist ideologies.
What I contend: The US middle classes have always been in this cycle, ya know many whites have struggles with drugs and drug incarceration (which has softened, drug use charges are getting lighter and lighter). De-Dollarization is still not affecting US workers, but also it’s greatly over-hyped. Surplus Capital will continue to be sent from all over the world to the US housing market and silicon valley.
Old homes and old appliances are still signs of total wealth growth, but also, new appliances have never been cheaper for USians and more people in the lower income brackets can afford them. Capital exports bring down the prices of goods. Car ownership is a luxury, it’s at 90+%, but also, the bottom 20% of population owns just 1% of cars:
This bottom 20% of USians is 60% Black/Indigenous/Latino. White poverty has been fairly consistent while poverty in other groups has been dropping in approach.
And just because someone is low income, doesn’t mean they have no wealth (housing speculation, owner-farmer).
It’s clear that wealth is increasing even though incomes are stagnating (because surplus money-capital arrives in the form of globally funded mortgages and historically low interest rates). Wages in 2020 are about as good (but way better for more people!) as the last 50 years, USians are not gonna have a lot of economic smoke for the Imperial regime.
Class consciousness is useless if it does not address labor aristocracy, and Communists have been saying “it’s getting worse!” since WW2, but it never has.
You should take a larger study of US economic conditions. We are in a much worse position of Economistic practices than WW1 Germans who Lenin railed against, I have linked the text in my other comment in the thread. These aren’t conditions to wait around for! Don’t wait for shit to get worse! There is revolutionary potential now! You have hundreds of national liberation struggles and 100 million oppressed nationals across Black/Indigenous people and Chicanos/Latinos. These struggles could have been turned into revolution in the 60s but revisionist Communists at that time said “wait we need white workers!”.
Did I mention that over half of the money spent on incarceration and policing (reaching a quarter trillion dollars every year, chart ends in 04, $261B spent in 2018) is wages for cops, guards, and judicial staff?
You say you are noticing a trend, I’m saying there’s always a small amount of losers in a massive petty booj economy, and this accounts for the trend you see, even though it has always been a factor, and adds new petty booj ideologies to workers movements, the state of the movement is evidence as such. The US is “overextended” (with few boots on the ground…), but what will happen when the US needs to ramp up war production to keep global wages low? Another boost in wages and carrot sticks of Opportunism so unions take war contracts (like they are doing right now making bombs that drop in Gaza). The US was able to “defeat Communism” through the height of anti-Imperial consciousness in the 70s, don’t hold your breath that movements that haven’t changed since then will be any different in the future.
It’s important to get across that a worker can go from high income ($150k) to low income ($12k, minimum wage), but actually double down on their bourgeois character because they started a business. From Semi-proletarian to Petty Bourg proper. Their total wealth would not have changed.
Surplus capital is not a “libertarian thing”, it’s a Lenin thing, it’s the reason why capital is exported.
Sorry, we’re miscommunicating I think. Are you conflating “dollars” with “capital” here?
My reading tells me the export of surplus capital refers to the export of productive machines, not the literal national currency. But I am, in fact, talking about the demand for the literal national currency i.e. not surplus capital specifically. Yes, US productive capacity is still high and there’s still a lot of unequal exchange happening between the US and its imperialized holdings as it forces them to use its machines and proprietary software etc etc, but notably interest rates have needed to remain high (so no more historically low interest rates) and this has put incredible downward pressure on the value of loans in USD.
At the same time, the sanctions regime has bifurcated the global economy. There’s now a parallel economy that exists outside of USD and this is adding additional downward pressure. Nations can now get loans from elsewhere (notably China), trade with national currencies for commodities and even resources like oil, and avoid unequal exchange with the declining hegemon because of the large and growing non-USD economy. The value of US dollar and demand for dollars can still decline despite US exports.
So, between nations not wanting loans from the US and being able to trade without USD, literal demand for dollars has fallen. This is, in part, where the inflation is coming from.
Where is the money going? Police, judicial, and carceral costs are increasing year over year.
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Did I mention that over half of the money spent on incarceration and policing (reaching a quarter trillion dollars every year, chart ends in 04, $261B spent in 2018) is wages for cops, guards, and judicial staff?
Is this not a sign of the debourgeoisification of the rest of the working class? The empire needs to spend more and more on policing and incarceration of exploited and superexploited workers at home, to the point that those high costs of control are now eating into quality of life of the rest of the working class due to inflation. At the same time it needs to keep elevating the lifestyles of pigs higher and higher to keep them showing up to work, as the act of policing itself becomes more reviled and more mentally taxing (I’m reminded of Fanon talking about how colonialism dehumanizes the colonizer). This is the other side of where the inflation is coming from.
As the cops, guards, judicial staff, and all the other carceral employees demand more wages they’re acquiring investments and housing and special legally protected status. They’re being further bourgeoisified, developing into their own special class and totally separate from the rest of workers who are beginning to be debourgeoisified (they can’t acquire housing, they can’t build savings, they don’t have investments, they certainly can’t seclude and segregate themselves away from the rest of the working class into white enclaves).
This special class of carceral workers is being elevated at their expense. They’re being turned from national police to colonial police, many white workers are being turned from settlers into… not natives, but something adjacent?
These aren’t conditions to wait around for! Don’t wait for shit to get worse! There is revolutionary potential now! You have hundreds of national liberation struggles and 100 million oppressed nationals across Black/Indigenous people and Chicanos/Latinos. These struggles could have been turned into revolution in the 60s but revisionist Communists at that time said “wait we need white workers!”.
When did I give this impression? I merely contend that shit is getting worse, not that we need to wait for anything!
Yes, the internally colonized people of the US are the most revolutionary force within it. I work in a factory and I can see how all the positions of management are only given to white English speakers, while the production floor is dominated by nonwhite people whose first languages are French, Arabic, or Spanish. I can see what you’re talking about every day.
I guess I’m just optimistic that the white working class has finally entered its own decline, but as you say, the embodied and generational wealth that they’ve accumulated will take quite some time to disappear. This is not a call to wait around, merely an observation that the time those misguided white communists were waiting for might be happening.
All of this is to say that the recent labor upsurge and rise in class consciousness has a material basis and isn’t just a fad.
Am I to understand that your point is nothing has fundamentally changed?
Nothing has fundamentally changed from the 60s, assimilation (which is paid for by Imperial value transfers) of oppressed nations is dual education and incarceration, both have increased over time, in dialectic. Women have been participating in wage labor more and more but that looks to have reached a relative peak.
You seem to think inflation is anything other than more wages than can be spent or reinvested (if in savings banks and credit unions). Inflation in the US is due to super-profits added to wages. An exploited Proletariat literally cannot save money, and globally luxury spending does not mean they are exploited!
My reading tells me the export of surplus capital refers to the export of productive machines, not the literal national currency.
Example: Sterling system. Britain exported capital to its own settlements in Canada and Australia. Britain was practicing “unequal exchange” (violent trade monopoly) with India, paying off their domestic workers with it, and then sending settlers to collect more resources in the colonies. Also, Lenin called French Imperialism “usury Imperialism” because France was exporting literal currency in loans to Russia and other European states. Capital exports of “real machines” are mostly to other Imperialist states or military allies, or Socialist states brought into circumstantial trade deals (same as Lenin’s time with NEP), and not “backward” economic systems of semi-colonial, semi-feudal character as seen in former Spanish colonies, India, and Africa. France still performs “usury Imperialism” (coupon clipping) with French and Euro currencies.
Cops are petty booj, more cops means more petty booj.
The US is a more advanced British Empire + French Empire in one. It’s not a surprise since the US inherited every Imperial relationship the former great powers had!
Not true, the petty-bourgeoisie and semi-proletariat is always being decommissioned in one area and rebuilt in another, as such is the nature of boom-bust. Incomes for USian workers has been increasing for 4/5ths of the population since WW2. Minimum wage in the US is over twice Mexican industrial wages (and these are good union jobs). Exploitation wages (surplus-value extraction) is practically illegal for most wage work in the US (exceptions exist for undocumented and child labor in the agricultural sector, a tip when reading laws is to look for “customary hiring practices”). There is “cycling” and “shuffling” of property and access to means of production within the white “nation”, but overall it is getting richer yoy.
Incomes have been “increasing” but when you factor in inflation they’ve been essentially flat since the 70s.
Now this new inflation and high interest rate environment and loss of USD supremacy is actually eroding wages in relation to the cost of living. The result is white workers being debourgeoisified. Note I’m not saying they’re kicked down into a position of superexploitation. That’s not really possible, obviously, since there’s no imperial core to benefit from superexploitation of white US workers.
Times are changing.
I’ll also note that internal superexploitation also exists within the prison industrial complex in addition to undocumented migrant labor.
Women entering workforce + tens of millions of immigrants + not counting benefits = average wage stagnating while total wealth increases.
losing 3 dollars from 24 dollars to 21 dollars since 1970 when a good union factory job in Mexico (a tariff-free zone for the US market) is 3 dollars total, I’m suspicious in this “debourgeoisification” angle.
Women being forced into the labor force (they were already working before they had jobs!) means that the unpaid work of the reproduction of labor becomes a second job. You know why family size has declined? It’s because everyone has to work and no one can afford childcare while they’re all at work because they’re not bourgeoisified anymore!That’s a sign of the decline of the quality of life for white workers i.e. debourgeoisification.
It’s like you think nothing has changed.
Family size decreased because more households were created (i.e. people moved out sooner, less multi-generational households). USian consumption has never decreased. Women were not forced to work, work became more available to them and then at a certain point it became a necessity for white women to work for white households to stay competitive and maintain segregation, women of other backgrounds were already working wage labor. Also birthrates are declining in Imperialist nations mostly due to policies that cut down teen parenthood (increased bodily autonomy, contraceptives and sex education, more access to higher education, more things to consume as opposed to raising children).
“afford childcare”: More and more USians do not live with family or support systems that assist in child-rearing, this is due to their ability not to. Childcare costs a lot in the US because it costs a lot to hire Americans to do anything (globally high wages!). These economic dynamics in reproductive relations are experienced broadly in all Imperialist societies. It’s a matter of class struggle that some other Imperialist states have subsidized childcare (the US does too, through tax breaks and public education, it just sucks). On a global level, it’s very privileged to pay someone to watch your kids, just because it costs a significant chunk of paychecks doesn’t mean it isn’t historically a bourgeois privilege, and less non-white women are forced to take waged domestic labor up since more jobs are available elsewhere. BTW, inflation for USD is due to a surplus of capital in the country, which is turned into novel industries (Hollywood, Malls, Amazon shopping, Silicon Valley, new cars, new guns), housing speculation, and “sin-taxes” (gambling, drugs, lootboxes). USD inflation is the result of the “Clipping Coupons” part of Imperialism.
No legal US working relationship outside of “customary agriculture” (migrant/child exploitation) is at exploitation level wages. Minimum wage is above Chinese factory wages, you’re going to need to see people getting 2-4 dollars before regular exploitation hits. Super-exploitation is the 60 cent wages seen in Haiti.
White men have been leaving the labor force since the 50s. Black men have been leaving too, but for different reasons, in different directions. This points to an increase in bourgeois white men.
“Cost of living” is an obfuscation. Poor Brazilian workers do not live in Favelas because their cost of living is lower, but that their wages are tiny so they can’t afford a well constructed home:
Okay, so I should clarify what I’m hypothesizing.
I’m not saying that bourgeoisification has already been eliminated or that we have reached the end of superprofits and their redistribution to the US working class, I merely contend that it’s begun its decline and is stratifying into even smaller and smaller subsections of the white working class. It would also be some time before we see the effects on things like air conditioning because of the inertia from previous development. The already installed air conditioners don’t just go away - people just stop running them.
US inflation used to be something that could be exported onto the rest of the world, but now the chickens are coming home to roost. The surplus of dollars is a poor explanation (kind of libertarian tbh), it only explains half the problem. The other side of the surplus comes from declining demand for dollars. The US sanctions regime has overreached on Russia and is now bifurcating the global economy into “countries that can trade with the US” and “everyone else” which created a boom in non-dollar trade. The high interest rate environment, too, is hurting demand for loans in US dollars as countries look for other sources of capital and deleverage themselves from US loans and debts.
The US is still superexploiting those workers in Brazil and Mexico; US workers are not going to be living like them in the near future! Yet as worker’s struggle in Latin America brings a new pink tide we are going to see more trade in national currency, more internal development, more investment from outside the US, and ultimately less superexploitation.
This is a trend, that’s all I’m saying.
Surplus capital is not a “libertarian thing”, it’s a Lenin thing, it’s the reason why capital is exported.
Where is the money going? Police, judicial, and carceral costs are increasing year over year. Capital is coming in from other Imperialist states and neo-Colonial outposts, which is fueling both housing construction and housing cost at the same time. There has never been more homes to workers in the US than right now.
And if you find my other post quoting Lenin, the petty bourgs are constantly being destroyed and refreshed, which is why the workers movement consistently gains new revisionist ideologies.
What I contend: The US middle classes have always been in this cycle, ya know many whites have struggles with drugs and drug incarceration (which has softened, drug use charges are getting lighter and lighter). De-Dollarization is still not affecting US workers, but also it’s greatly over-hyped. Surplus Capital will continue to be sent from all over the world to the US housing market and silicon valley.
Old homes and old appliances are still signs of total wealth growth, but also, new appliances have never been cheaper for USians and more people in the lower income brackets can afford them. Capital exports bring down the prices of goods. Car ownership is a luxury, it’s at 90+%, but also, the bottom 20% of population owns just 1% of cars:
This bottom 20% of USians is 60% Black/Indigenous/Latino. White poverty has been fairly consistent while poverty in other groups has been dropping in approach.
And just because someone is low income, doesn’t mean they have no wealth (housing speculation, owner-farmer).
It’s clear that wealth is increasing even though incomes are stagnating (because surplus money-capital arrives in the form of globally funded mortgages and historically low interest rates). Wages in 2020 are about as good (but way better for more people!) as the last 50 years, USians are not gonna have a lot of economic smoke for the Imperial regime.
Class consciousness is useless if it does not address labor aristocracy, and Communists have been saying “it’s getting worse!” since WW2, but it never has.
You should take a larger study of US economic conditions. We are in a much worse position of Economistic practices than WW1 Germans who Lenin railed against, I have linked the text in my other comment in the thread. These aren’t conditions to wait around for! Don’t wait for shit to get worse! There is revolutionary potential now! You have hundreds of national liberation struggles and 100 million oppressed nationals across Black/Indigenous people and Chicanos/Latinos. These struggles could have been turned into revolution in the 60s but revisionist Communists at that time said “wait we need white workers!”.
Did I mention that over half of the money spent on incarceration and policing (reaching a quarter trillion dollars every year, chart ends in 04, $261B spent in 2018) is wages for cops, guards, and judicial staff?
You say you are noticing a trend, I’m saying there’s always a small amount of losers in a massive petty booj economy, and this accounts for the trend you see, even though it has always been a factor, and adds new petty booj ideologies to workers movements, the state of the movement is evidence as such. The US is “overextended” (with few boots on the ground…), but what will happen when the US needs to ramp up war production to keep global wages low? Another boost in wages and carrot sticks of Opportunism so unions take war contracts (like they are doing right now making bombs that drop in Gaza). The US was able to “defeat Communism” through the height of anti-Imperial consciousness in the 70s, don’t hold your breath that movements that haven’t changed since then will be any different in the future.
It’s important to get across that a worker can go from high income ($150k) to low income ($12k, minimum wage), but actually double down on their bourgeois character because they started a business. From Semi-proletarian to Petty Bourg proper. Their total wealth would not have changed.
Sorry, we’re miscommunicating I think. Are you conflating “dollars” with “capital” here?
My reading tells me the export of surplus capital refers to the export of productive machines, not the literal national currency. But I am, in fact, talking about the demand for the literal national currency i.e. not surplus capital specifically. Yes, US productive capacity is still high and there’s still a lot of unequal exchange happening between the US and its imperialized holdings as it forces them to use its machines and proprietary software etc etc, but notably interest rates have needed to remain high (so no more historically low interest rates) and this has put incredible downward pressure on the value of loans in USD.
At the same time, the sanctions regime has bifurcated the global economy. There’s now a parallel economy that exists outside of USD and this is adding additional downward pressure. Nations can now get loans from elsewhere (notably China), trade with national currencies for commodities and even resources like oil, and avoid unequal exchange with the declining hegemon because of the large and growing non-USD economy. The value of US dollar and demand for dollars can still decline despite US exports.
So, between nations not wanting loans from the US and being able to trade without USD, literal demand for dollars has fallen. This is, in part, where the inflation is coming from.
Is this not a sign of the debourgeoisification of the rest of the working class? The empire needs to spend more and more on policing and incarceration of exploited and superexploited workers at home, to the point that those high costs of control are now eating into quality of life of the rest of the working class due to inflation. At the same time it needs to keep elevating the lifestyles of pigs higher and higher to keep them showing up to work, as the act of policing itself becomes more reviled and more mentally taxing (I’m reminded of Fanon talking about how colonialism dehumanizes the colonizer). This is the other side of where the inflation is coming from.
As the cops, guards, judicial staff, and all the other carceral employees demand more wages they’re acquiring investments and housing and special legally protected status. They’re being further bourgeoisified, developing into their own special class and totally separate from the rest of workers who are beginning to be debourgeoisified (they can’t acquire housing, they can’t build savings, they don’t have investments, they certainly can’t seclude and segregate themselves away from the rest of the working class into white enclaves).
This special class of carceral workers is being elevated at their expense. They’re being turned from national police to colonial police, many white workers are being turned from settlers into… not natives, but something adjacent?
When did I give this impression? I merely contend that shit is getting worse, not that we need to wait for anything!
Yes, the internally colonized people of the US are the most revolutionary force within it. I work in a factory and I can see how all the positions of management are only given to white English speakers, while the production floor is dominated by nonwhite people whose first languages are French, Arabic, or Spanish. I can see what you’re talking about every day.
I guess I’m just optimistic that the white working class has finally entered its own decline, but as you say, the embodied and generational wealth that they’ve accumulated will take quite some time to disappear. This is not a call to wait around, merely an observation that the time those misguided white communists were waiting for might be happening.
All of this is to say that the recent labor upsurge and rise in class consciousness has a material basis and isn’t just a fad.
Am I to understand that your point is nothing has fundamentally changed?
Nothing has fundamentally changed from the 60s, assimilation (which is paid for by Imperial value transfers) of oppressed nations is dual education and incarceration, both have increased over time, in dialectic. Women have been participating in wage labor more and more but that looks to have reached a relative peak.
You seem to think inflation is anything other than more wages than can be spent or reinvested (if in savings banks and credit unions). Inflation in the US is due to super-profits added to wages. An exploited Proletariat literally cannot save money, and globally luxury spending does not mean they are exploited!
Example: Sterling system. Britain exported capital to its own settlements in Canada and Australia. Britain was practicing “unequal exchange” (violent trade monopoly) with India, paying off their domestic workers with it, and then sending settlers to collect more resources in the colonies. Also, Lenin called French Imperialism “usury Imperialism” because France was exporting literal currency in loans to Russia and other European states. Capital exports of “real machines” are mostly to other Imperialist states or military allies, or Socialist states brought into circumstantial trade deals (same as Lenin’s time with NEP), and not “backward” economic systems of semi-colonial, semi-feudal character as seen in former Spanish colonies, India, and Africa. France still performs “usury Imperialism” (coupon clipping) with French and Euro currencies.
Cops are petty booj, more cops means more petty booj.
The US is a more advanced British Empire + French Empire in one. It’s not a surprise since the US inherited every Imperial relationship the former great powers had!