Why, because I’m challenging your thinking? There’s not a good option for the US presidency, but there is a lesser of two evils. The whole point of the meme is not to show that the US government is complicit, but to specifically blame the Democrats. ‘Hey people who would have voted for Biden. He’s just like Trump. Don’t vote.’ If the meme had had a US flag then it’d have been more accurate.
you haven’t challenged anything but my tolerance for genocide-loving scum. i sincerely hope you one day live through the horror you so casually support inflicting on others.
die screaming.
e: honestly cannot wish enough bad things for you. “lesser evil?” it would be laughable if it weren’t nauseating. to what degree is your evil lesser when it results in a fucking genocide? the place for people like you is a pit.
I don’t support any of the US funding for Israel. My whole point is that if Trump was president that it would be worse than it is now. Biden should absolutely fucking stop. Again, the point of the meme was to divide the left so that it makes it easier for Trump to be president.
Literally all libs keep saying this but never explain how lmao. The entire point is that the Amerikan political system gave us choices none of the people asked for, so the system needs to be upended.
If the purported “left” you associate yourself with decides to back Genocide Joe to avoid Genocide Trump- I hope you get the candidate you deserve (Trump).
Again, the point of the meme was to divide the left so that it makes it easier for Trump to be president.
You can’t divide something that was never part of the “left” to begin with. Biden and the Democrats are not left, they have never been left. Those who support genocide and one half of the neoliberal duopoly are not left. Hope you enjoy Trump!
leftists are not liberals. i don’t feel like getting too deep into the weeds here but the difference functionally boils down to leftists opposing capitalism, whereas liberals are its most ardent defenders
oh but you do, and that’s my whole point. in an electoral frame of mind, your only power is your vote. you are - in a very real, material sense, from this perspective - supporting genocide when you vote for biden. your feelings about the matter are totally irrelevant to the outcome that your actions have. a vote for genocide is a vote for genocide. you are a direct part of a coalition giving biden the power to continue massacring innocent people. no matter what you’ve convinced yourself your vote means to you, what it means to biden is he has a blank check to stack palestinian bodies.
This is the best argument that anyone here has made. So in November I have the choice of Trump, who I believe will make the Palestinian situation worse, Biden who I believe is slightly better but as the lesser of two evils, a third party which is throwing out the vote without ranked choice voting, or not voting. Three of those options help Trump.
frankly, your comment is a great summation of why electoralism is a dead end for change, but i’ll play ball a little longer regardless.
Trump, who I believe will make the Palestinian situation worse
I understand the instinctive gut belief that this is true, but materially, what can he provide to Israel that Biden has not? It goes without saying that the empire isn’t abandoning its vassal regardless of which figurehead is in charge, of course, but the only thing stopping Biden from sending more weapons is that it simply doesn’t have the productive capabilities to further arm Israel (or the Ukraine, for that matter) at present. In a very real sense, Trump doesn’t have much room with which to get worse, even if he wanted to. The end result of Biden’s support for Israel is the death of every last Palestinian. Trump will continue that work, true. You are going to watch this genocide happen in your lifetime, one way or another. You can either support it or oppose it. You have rightly identified that there is no real way to vote against it (aside from support of a third party, which we’ll get to).
Biden who I believe is slightly better but as the lesser of two evils,
But why? Based on what evidence? He has been a staunch Zionist since the 80s, long before Trump could even find Palestine on a map. He has been a part of ratcheting up every war effort the U.S. has engaged in since he got into office. If your perception of him is that he is an old fighter who’s battling it out with the Republicans to eek out wins for the climate and labor unions then, well, I would just spend less time on Twitter, frankly. That level of brainworms is beyond the scope of this comment. If your perception of him is “Joe Biden, chill old grandpa VP to the first black president!” then you should know he was besties with (to the point of eulogizing him!) Strom Thurmond, a man so racist he would make Hitler’s lederhosen tighten with unfettered Nazi joy. This was, in fact, his appeal: Biden was specifically picked to win back the racists in the Dem base who had no interest in supporting a black man for president.
To me, you read like someone who still believes the Democrats have something meaningfully different to offer than the Republicans. In reality, these people are all friends. Their kids go to (fancy, private) school together. They get brunch at restaurants so expensive you and I would have our knees broken for standing too close to the entrance. Many of them are even funded by the very same people and corporations. It’s disheartening, but there really is no major political party that cares one iota about human life.
a third party which is throwing out the vote without ranked choice voting, or not voting
And they’ll never let you have ranked choice voting, as I’m sure you’ve realized. The elite are not going to do anything to upset their grasp on power.
Look, at the end of the day if you’ve been paying attention then you know Biden is fucking cooked. His brain is pudding and his opponent got the coolest photo op a U.S. ghoul has had in decades. You can support him (and tacitly, his genocide) despite his dismal chances or you can vote for someone who opposes it. The likelihood either will elected is nil. The result is almost certainly going to be the same: Trump is going to be President, again.
I say this as a trans woman. I am not going to be having a good time. But even in the worst case scenario, where they’re sticking me on Cybertruck to the Quiznos™ death camps, I could not imagine being able to live with myself knowing I tried to throw an entire peoples under the bus to stave off my execution.
you genuinely make me fucking sick. if this conversation were taking place in person i’d spit in your face at a minimum
I second that. Spitting would be the minimum.
Why, because I’m challenging your thinking? There’s not a good option for the US presidency, but there is a lesser of two evils. The whole point of the meme is not to show that the US government is complicit, but to specifically blame the Democrats. ‘Hey people who would have voted for Biden. He’s just like Trump. Don’t vote.’ If the meme had had a US flag then it’d have been more accurate.
you haven’t challenged anything but my tolerance for genocide-loving scum. i sincerely hope you one day live through the horror you so casually support inflicting on others.
die screaming.
e: honestly cannot wish enough bad things for you. “lesser evil?” it would be laughable if it weren’t nauseating. to what degree is your evil lesser when it results in a fucking genocide? the place for people like you is a pit.
I don’t support any of the US funding for Israel. My whole point is that if Trump was president that it would be worse than it is now. Biden should absolutely fucking stop. Again, the point of the meme was to divide the left so that it makes it easier for Trump to be president.
Literally all libs keep saying this but never explain how lmao. The entire point is that the Amerikan political system gave us choices none of the people asked for, so the system needs to be upended.
If the purported “left” you associate yourself with decides to back Genocide Joe to avoid Genocide Trump- I hope you get the candidate you deserve (Trump).
You can’t divide something that was never part of the “left” to begin with. Biden and the Democrats are not left, they have never been left. Those who support genocide and one half of the neoliberal duopoly are not left. Hope you enjoy Trump!
Huh?
Sounds like your last few brain cells finally fizzled out.
leftists are not liberals. i don’t feel like getting too deep into the weeds here but the difference functionally boils down to leftists opposing capitalism, whereas liberals are its most ardent defenders
oh but you do, and that’s my whole point. in an electoral frame of mind, your only power is your vote. you are - in a very real, material sense, from this perspective - supporting genocide when you vote for biden. your feelings about the matter are totally irrelevant to the outcome that your actions have. a vote for genocide is a vote for genocide. you are a direct part of a coalition giving biden the power to continue massacring innocent people. no matter what you’ve convinced yourself your vote means to you, what it means to biden is he has a blank check to stack palestinian bodies.
This is the best argument that anyone here has made. So in November I have the choice of Trump, who I believe will make the Palestinian situation worse, Biden who I believe is slightly better but as the lesser of two evils, a third party which is throwing out the vote without ranked choice voting, or not voting. Three of those options help Trump.
frankly, your comment is a great summation of why electoralism is a dead end for change, but i’ll play ball a little longer regardless.
I understand the instinctive gut belief that this is true, but materially, what can he provide to Israel that Biden has not? It goes without saying that the empire isn’t abandoning its vassal regardless of which figurehead is in charge, of course, but the only thing stopping Biden from sending more weapons is that it simply doesn’t have the productive capabilities to further arm Israel (or the Ukraine, for that matter) at present. In a very real sense, Trump doesn’t have much room with which to get worse, even if he wanted to. The end result of Biden’s support for Israel is the death of every last Palestinian. Trump will continue that work, true. You are going to watch this genocide happen in your lifetime, one way or another. You can either support it or oppose it. You have rightly identified that there is no real way to vote against it (aside from support of a third party, which we’ll get to).
But why? Based on what evidence? He has been a staunch Zionist since the 80s, long before Trump could even find Palestine on a map. He has been a part of ratcheting up every war effort the U.S. has engaged in since he got into office. If your perception of him is that he is an old fighter who’s battling it out with the Republicans to eek out wins for the climate and labor unions then, well, I would just spend less time on Twitter, frankly. That level of brainworms is beyond the scope of this comment. If your perception of him is “Joe Biden, chill old grandpa VP to the first black president!” then you should know he was besties with (to the point of eulogizing him!) Strom Thurmond, a man so racist he would make Hitler’s lederhosen tighten with unfettered Nazi joy. This was, in fact, his appeal: Biden was specifically picked to win back the racists in the Dem base who had no interest in supporting a black man for president.
To me, you read like someone who still believes the Democrats have something meaningfully different to offer than the Republicans. In reality, these people are all friends. Their kids go to (fancy, private) school together. They get brunch at restaurants so expensive you and I would have our knees broken for standing too close to the entrance. Many of them are even funded by the very same people and corporations. It’s disheartening, but there really is no major political party that cares one iota about human life.
And they’ll never let you have ranked choice voting, as I’m sure you’ve realized. The elite are not going to do anything to upset their grasp on power.
Look, at the end of the day if you’ve been paying attention then you know Biden is fucking cooked. His brain is pudding and his opponent got the coolest photo op a U.S. ghoul has had in decades. You can support him (and tacitly, his genocide) despite his dismal chances or you can vote for someone who opposes it. The likelihood either will elected is nil. The result is almost certainly going to be the same: Trump is going to be President, again.
I say this as a trans woman. I am not going to be having a good time. But even in the worst case scenario, where they’re sticking me on Cybertruck to the Quiznos™ death camps, I could not imagine being able to live with myself knowing I tried to throw an entire peoples under the bus to stave off my execution.
You do what your conscience can bear.
There were many good arguments. Youre just ok with genocide and/or weren’t smart enough to understand them 👍