Fighting the smartphone ‘invasion’: the French village that voted to ban scrolling in public
Seine-Port is introducing restrictions on phone use in streets, shops and parks – but young people say there’s little else to do Angelique Chrisafis Angelique Chrisafis in Seine-Port @achrisafis Sat 10 Feb 2024 05.00 GMT
A picture of a smartphone with a red line through it serves as a warning in the window of a hairdresser’s shop in a French village that has voted to ban people scrolling on their phones in public. “Everyone is struggling with too much screen time,” said Ludivine, a cardiology nurse, as she had her hair cut into a bob, leaving her phone out of sight in her bag. “I voted in favour, this could be a solution.”
Seine-Port, in the Seine-et-Marne area south of Paris, with a population of fewer than 2,000 people, last weekend voted yes in a referendum to restrict smartphone use in public, banning adults and children from scrolling on their devices while walking down the street, while sitting with others on a park bench, while in shops, cafes or eating in restaurants and while parents wait for their children in front of the school gates. Those who might check their phone’s map when lost are instead being encouraged to ask for directions.
Boomer village
A 2000 people town, current trends indicate that the place is probably devoid of young people anyway. No matter what, that policy will not make young people want to live there, what a way to kill off your own town’s already dwindling population
Damn this place banned heroin in public, I can’t believe they banned heroin in public, now the town will die because youngsters won’t be able to do heroin in public there.
Banning smoking in public would get the old folks riled up, but would also be a good thing, your point being?
This was a shitpost, if you couldn’t tell that then you need to put your phone down and go touch grass.
Scrolling on your phone is truly the exact same thing as doing heroin, thank you for this flawless comparison.
Bro just casually saying that using a smartphone is tantamount to taking heroin.
This is you, stop it, it’s annoying.
That sounds like a bonus for them
I get it and I support it too, especially because it’s not enforcable by police, but still changes the attitude towards screens.
Yeah I hope people ask themselves more frequently: “Do I really need to take out my phone now? Is it really that important?”, and rather look at the birds, talk to people, just enjoy life.
Imagine, someone down voted you for your hope for people’s self reflection
As always - decent idea, poor execution.
Enforcement is rarely as effective as education - and it is an issue that probably should be addressed at school or at a young age at home, that notification dopamine hits are easily abused by apps and advertisers, the dangers of walking on pavements while your head’s down, and the pervasiveness of social media or always-connected information and it’s impact on mental health.
After all, behaviours are better changed when you learn why it’s a bad idea, rather than someone telling you it’s a bad idea.
For me, it reads like old people doing old people things. Let’s see how it plays out.
Sounds to me like ye olde days when old people would try to ban cycling or book reading in public, because it was predominantly younger people doing it. Or trying to enforce public dress codes.
Just a bunch of whiny old farts who can’t accept the changes of the world and lash out at the youth.
Are you saying only young people are addicted to screens?
No, that’s not what I’m saying, and I don’t know how you could have come to that conclusion.
Nor was I saying that back when people were calling to ban them, that only young people read books or cycled.
But it’s all stuff that older people perceived young people to be obsessed with, and this wanted to clamp down on it as a punishment/because they viewed it as being wrong.
That was never said nor implied. What you’re doing is putting the words you want to hear in someone’s mouth.
Don’t. It’s intellectually irresponsible.
They’re saying it’s old people making a bigger deal out of scrolling in general.
Younger people grew up with it, it isn’t something new that they don’t understand.
It’s the old farts like me who blame the phones for the state of things, kinda like how it was videogames, rock and rap music before.
Lots of yellin at clouds
Absurd policy. Good luck enforcing it.
If you ban scrolling in public, only criminals will scroll in public. Remember, the only way to stop a bad guy scrolling in public is a good guy scrolling in public.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
A picture of a smartphone with a red line through it serves as a warning in the window of a hairdresser’s shop in a French village that has voted to ban people scrolling on their phones in public.
“Everyone is struggling with too much screen time,” said Ludivine, a cardiology nurse, as she had her hair cut into a bob, leaving her phone out of sight in her bag.
Seine-Port, in the Seine-et-Marne area south of Paris, with a population of fewer than 2,000 people, last weekend voted yes in a referendum to restrict smartphone use in public, banning adults and children from scrolling on their devices while walking down the street, while sitting with others on a park bench, while in shops, cafes or eating in restaurants and while parents wait for their children in front of the school gates.
The mayor, Vincent Paul-Petit, of the rightwing party Les Républicains, will now write a municipal decree on smartphone use, the first of its kind in France.
Emmanuel Macron said last month he would consult scientific experts to “determine the best use of screens” for young children, suggesting there could be bans or restrictions.
“There’s not much else to do – if you ban phones, you’d have to put in place real structures for young people’s leisure, sports and games,” said Nawel Deciron, 21, a history student and trainee teacher.
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Fuck this, sounds like parenting and policing all slammed into the same policy. Just let people fucking be.
Getting real “Socrates on the Invention of Writing”-vibes from this.
“For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. […]”
How does this work legally? The article mentions that it can’t be enforced by police. And I’m sure that it’s also not really in the power of local villages to ban checking a WhatsApp in a public park.
Social pressure might be enough to enforce it.
It doesn’t. It’s a right wing attempt to generate social friction and to get attention by focusing on rage bait topics for their prospective voters
Are they also going to ban reading newspapers or books in public or are they hypocritical boomers?
I believe I know what you are getting at, but still, that’s not exactly an equal comparison:
https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2020.1a13
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0747563214001149
So you’re suggesting people are only allowed to use the optimal method for everything?
Personally I’m not attempting to deeply study Lemmy in the three minutes I’m sitting in a reception area but YMMV.
No, I was not suggesting that, but you already knew that - if not, feel free to rejoin this conversation once you have left that reception area and increased your attention span beyond the 3 minute of waiting you’re trying to kill.
Also, just to be clear: the French proposal is bullshit, although at its core, there probably is some merit. I do not agree with the execution. In the end, it’s a minorty of people helplessly clawing at something they don’t understand. That doesn’t mean your argument of “tHeY ShOuLd aLsO BaN BoOkS” is any more meaningful.
Smartphone addiction exists, and we are currently exploring the correlation of screen time, social media consumption etc. and depression, anxiety and ADHD in both teenagers and adults.
All I wanted to point out was that reading books and spending time in front of a screen are not equal.
f not, feel free to rejoin this conversation once you have left that reception area and increased your attention span beyond the 3 minute of waiting you’re trying to kill.
woooow where did that come from??
Yeah it’s a major problem. But I see it more as a cultural problem not one that can’t be solved with legislation.
Well except maybe make using your phone in a theater punishable by prison time. I’d support that because WTF people?
But besides in places where it will disturb others, then there isn’t much that can be done at a regulatory level.
I just employed the same tactic you did. It seems you didn’t appreciate that. Perhaps your original tack wasn’t the right one to make your point?
No they don’t. They say there is a difference between Smartphones and newspapers or books.
I agree with this. Although I admit it is imposing one group’s opinion on the whole of society (in the village at least)
I think there’s something very human about a ton of people being bored, but mentally present, together. I was just thinking about how current technological advancements are creating a very easy path for us to spend less time experiencing our shared reality and increasingly recede into our own, personalized ones (think VR/AR + AI generated things). And not just media bubbles but actual experiences. Look at how detached Casey seems, and now imagine that the entire city is wearing these. VR/AR might be a fringe topic right now but if it becomes the path of least resistance for something, like living via Zoom became during COVID, it will eventually become mainstream.
It’s trivial now but I think it will come to bite us in a few decades’ time
I agree with your point that digital media influences and transformed the way we interact whith each others, and I believe there are studies indicating that young people feel more isolated, which could be a causality of rising smartphone usage.
And I agree, that this needs to be addressed, especially in the face of addiction. The way the french policy handles this though is to create an insentive for people to stay inside, because there they can still use their devices without being questioned or judged, further singleing those out, who already struggle in public using their phone as a lifeline.
The questions that need to be asked here is why people are so eager to use digital devices? Because they are developed in a way to make the user addicted.
That’s true actually, I didn’t think of that
Before phones I used to carry a book or a notebook with a couple of problems I was working on. Would you also ban those to force me into boredom?
Purely my opinion, but: no, because your notebook is finite. You will eventually run out of problems and also be bored.
I see where you’re going! There are a class of people like me that always overpack to prevent that from happening. If I got lost in the wilderness I would certainly eventually run out. The amount of reading material I put in my backpack is way more than I would hit in a given time out with my backpack.
The most French thing they could do
Is it? I was under the impression that french people generally despise being told what to do by the government.
On the other hand, passing a ban on smartphones that is not legally binding and can safely be ignored sounds more like it.
"Everyone is struggling with too much screen time,” said Ludivine, a cardiology nurse, as she had her hair cut into a bob, leaving her phone out of sight in her bag. “I voted in favour, this could be a solution.”
I find it always funny, that you can read the narcissism & projection so clearly. “I have a phone addiction and I have recognised it. Now I am expecting everyone around me to restrain themself, to compensate for my lack of selfcontrol”
And it’s always ‘the children’. If you don’t want your child to have access to a screen, don’t give it one. Society isn’t responsible to manage the screen time of your toddler. You are.
So people who use their phone to communicate like deaf, blind, and/or nonverbal people or those who don’t speak the language and use it to translate, as well as those who need it to help ease anxiety or as a barrier between themselves and an overwhelming world (in other words - disabled and other marginalised people), can go fuck themselves, can they?
Oh wait, don’t tell me, “if there arises a need an exception will be made”, which is basically saying disabled and other marginalised people can go fuck themselves, unless they are willing to be stopped, forced to disclose their personal and/or medical information to strangers and be scrutinised on the spot by people without any training with the potential of being punished if said laypeople decide that actually they don’t see good reason for the phone use…
Like, even without all of this the idea is a pathetic joke being enforced by power hungry control freaks, but the fact that they’re happy to so openly punish and exclude marginalised people (who might stay home rather than face a world where they can’t communicate, or where they might get constantly stopped and scrutinised for doing so) is just disgusting.
Fuck these people.
She said: “Recently in a waiting room, I brought books and dolls for my daughter to play with and everyone congratulated me that she wasn’t on a screen.”
…and then everyone stood up and clapped.
