• Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml
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    4 months ago

    It’s interesting to see how both Ukraine and Israel legally (or attempted in Israel’s case) closed off paths for them to end their respective wars except in unconditional surrender for the enemy forces (if you are wondering, (Ukraine passed a bill barring themselves from negotiating with Russia)[https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/zelensky-signs-law-declaring-talks-with-putin-impossible/], which is why that hilarious “peace summit” in Switzerland didn’t involve Russia).

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      4 months ago

      They killed negotiators as well, and there’s a possibility that they’d kill V.Zelensky if he (re)joined Belarus and Russia at the expense of their european “dream”.

      If i’m cynical, and pretend that we can know the future(, afghans and many others, including separatists during colonization, or communists during the Cold War, proved that some impossible fights can be won despite the odds) :

      • If palestinians can win, then they will take back their land, and the jewish dream of rebuilding Jerusalem’s temple will disappear, they will still be able to live on these lands, but not with their own laws(, ethnostate isn’t necessarily a bad thing, that’s preserving diversity).
      • If palestinians can’t win, then they should do what they can to enable a two-states solution, and in my eyes it’s the right-wing part of israelis politicians that prevented many attempts, at least from what i know. I’ve talked elsewhere of other solutions, but i don’t know. I like the idea of a world united to colonize, e.g., Mars, in order to give it to the whole islamic community in exchange, but i guess that it would be taken even less seriously than giving palestinians a part of Europe or the u.s.a., way better than the one they’re losing, and a one-state solution wouldn’t be the jewish ethnostate israelis want. I don’t know, they can’t just submit and die, or lose their land(, without receiving something of equal value), it’s clearly not fair, and hence can/must not be accepted. The palestinian suffering of these last decades is more obvious than the israelis we’re supposed to pity. I don’t see why Israel isn’t satisfied with the lands they already have, i don’t know what palestinians can still do at this point.

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      • If ukrainians can win, they’ll be able to help in destroying/westernizing Russia.
      • If they don’t, then i don’t see why it’d be so awful to abandon their n.a.t.o&e.u. desire(, they could even gain more than their territories by uniting with Belarus&Russia again).

      And :

      • If israelis can win, they’ll be able to take the lands they want, even from Lebanon why not.
      • If they can’t, then there’s no reason to refuse the two-states solution i guess, as well as finding a way to improve their relations with their neighbours, if it’s possible. Perhaps that one day the israeli army would fight against the u.s.a., Russia, China, an african or european country, and alongside an islamic country in order to defend them. The Holy Quran talks with a lot of respect of jewish prophets, religious people should go along well, i clearly don’t believe in some kind of inherent antisemitism in islam(, on the contrary), jewish people will always be people that should convert(, like the samaritans of the past), but they’re not enemies. (Religions were supposedly enough to bring the Kingdom/City of God upon Earth…)

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      • If russians can win, they’ll destroy the eastern part of Ukraine that refuses to join them(, they’ve stopped at the anti-n.a.t.o. part), by putting them on their side, or forcing a part of them to join a european country such as Poland. They’ll also be able to solve the problem of Transnistria.
      • If they can’t, then they’ll be destroyed/westernized. It wasn’t great during the 90s, they’ll be dismantled into a few parts by a western support of separatists, and quite a lot of countries would cease to receive their help.

      Not a great comment but, i.d.k., tell me if you have a thought about it ? I’ll probably edit it in the next hours.