Even then, as a former cop state procecutor and district attorney/AG, positions which are well known to have an extensive supportive connection with police and cops that everyone knows operate in lockstep and are functionally 2 sides of the same coin, her voting record has been surprisingly comparatively progressive/left wing sometimes on par with Bernie.
She was also progressive as a DA too. She ran on the promise to never seek the death penalty, and she never did. She had a record number of cannabis prosecutions, but a substantially lower number of incarcerations for cannabia.
Her mother is an Indian American doctor, and her father is an Afro-Jamacain American professor of economics. She’s lived in the East Coast, Chicago, California.
She’s progressive. She plays by the rules but she’s progressive.
Got a source for the lower number of incarcerations. I’ve been warming up to the idea of voting for Harris instead of against Trump and that would be another + for her.
‘Conviction rate aside, only 45 people were sentenced to state prison for marijuana convictions during Harris’ seven years in office, compared with 135 people during Hallinan’s eight years, according to data from the state corrections department. That only includes individuals whose most serious conviction was for marijuana.’
I can forgive a politician a vote on a crime bill that looks ill-conceived two decades later, or a too-slow evolution toward marijuana legalization, or even a principled belief in the death penalty, something I adamantly oppose. I find it far harder to forgive fighting to keep a man in jail in the face of strong evidence of innocence, running a team of prosecutors that withholds potentially exculpatory evidence from defense attorneys, and utterly failing as the state’s top prosecutor to rein in glaringly corrupt district attorneys and law enforcement.
At best, Harris displayed a pattern of striking ignorance about scandalous misconduct in hierarchies that she oversaw. And she is now asking the public to place her atop a bigger, more complicated, more powerful hierarchy, where abuses and unaccountable officials would do even more to subvert liberty and justice for all.
Reason why its considered part of the family is because for every cop that does bad but nothing ever happens to them, you can thank the DA for that choice.
To add to this, high level prosecutors need the backing of the police to do their job well. Cops are the ones on the streets making arrests, collecting evidence, and enforcing the laws. If they don’t like a district attorney, they can look the other way and make it difficult for them to do their job.
In my opinion one of the big reasons so many cops aren’t prosecuted in this country is the prosecutors don’t want to lose their political will with the cops.
I’m guessing the “back the blue” folks only consider someone a cop if they’re in the police union. Which is also funny because they tend to vastly support candidates that want to strip union rights
They also want to defund the IRS and other federal agencies, which exist to enforce laws. Once of the biggest CSAM busts in history was spearheaded by a single IRS agent and resulted in hundreds of arrests across the globe, including a border patrol agent. It ended with taking down a huge darknet website called “welcome to video.”
I’m more using cop as a shorthand for “consistently on the side of the police and the State in the criminal justice system as a criminal prosecutor and district attorney” instead of “she was literally a uniformed officer”
IMHO, forced seems a bit harsh. The co-elected incumbent VP is historically the backup when something goes down with the President and you’re outside of an election cycle.
The primaries already happened, there is no time to print ballots, stand up polling stations, and get the public to vote before the Ohio roll call to get a candidate on the ballot. This would probably be impossible even if Biden dropped out on that debate stage.
The party / delegates are basically forced to pick someone, and using the precedent of a the VP being the fallback, this is probably the most democratic option. She was elected with Biden in 2020.
Even if Biden dropped out before the primary, Kamala would have had an incredible advantage over all other candidates. She very likely would have been the nominee.
There are things to get upset about. The most likely alternative taking over is not one of them.
Oh? Harris wasn’t part of the ticket that won the majority of delegates at the Primary…?
EDIT: Wow, Lemmy.world really wants to elect Donald Trump again. I mean, fair enough I guess (for those who can actually vote in US elections), I just wasn’t expecting all the immediate attacks to be in such bad faith.
$100,000,000 (mostly small donors) and 40,000 new voters in the 24 hours after she announced she was running.
Like anyone, she’s not perfect, but we’re excited and energized about the candidate… finally. We will fight against fascism and actually improve things with Kamala Harris…
Hilarious. But yes, there was. And Biden’s delegates were freed the moment he announced he wasn’t going to run. In other words people had 2 chances to challenge him if they wanted. It would have been an uphill battle, but it was possible. No one did…
Even ignoring all the structural issues like donors and media that prevent a truly open process the fact that Biden was the incumbent meant there was even more pressure from the DNC to not have a legitimate competitor run.
Saying she won the most delegates so she was everyone first choice is being basically blind to how the primary process actually operates.
If wealthy donors weren’t as important to the process, if she wasn’t the incumbent VP after a very unusual occupancy of the incumbent president stepping down this late, and you had something like ranked choice you would get a very different answer. This should be obvious to anyone because in the last “fair” primary in 2020 she and Biden were among the least popular candidates before the other centrists dropped out all together.
Not to mention the record-setting >100 million in grassroots small dollar donations in the first day and a half after Biden dropped out. I’d call that a lot of support.
To be fair, the ACAB group didn’t choose a cop/prosecutor… A cop/prosecutor was non-consensually forced on us.
The back the blue crowd actively chose a felon though.
Fits their MO.
Even then, as a former
copstate procecutor and district attorney/AG, positions which are well known to have an extensive supportive connection with police and cops that everyone knows operate in lockstep and are functionally 2 sides of the same coin, her voting record has been surprisingly comparatively progressive/left wing sometimes on par with Bernie.She was also progressive as a DA too. She ran on the promise to never seek the death penalty, and she never did. She had a record number of cannabis prosecutions, but a substantially lower number of incarcerations for cannabia.
Her mother is an Indian American doctor, and her father is an Afro-Jamacain American professor of economics. She’s lived in the East Coast, Chicago, California.
She’s progressive. She plays by the rules but she’s progressive.
We won’t be disappointed.
Got a source for the lower number of incarcerations. I’ve been warming up to the idea of voting for Harris instead of against Trump and that would be another + for her.
You better believe I do:
‘Conviction rate aside, only 45 people were sentenced to state prison for marijuana convictions during Harris’ seven years in office, compared with 135 people during Hallinan’s eight years, according to data from the state corrections department. That only includes individuals whose most serious conviction was for marijuana.’
https://web.archive.org/web/20210218054019/https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/11/kamala-harris-prosecuting-marijuana-cases/
That was a very enlightening read. Thank you for sharing.
I’m voting for her, and I think everyone else should too, but her record as DA isn’t all sunshine and roses.
Yes, this is a 2019 article, but all that stuff was in the past then just as much as it is now:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/kamala-cop-record/596758/
Closing paragraphs of that article:
When was she a cop? Thought she was a (assistant ) district attorney and then AG.
People consider that part of the extended cop family.
Reason why its considered part of the family is because for every cop that does bad but nothing ever happens to them, you can thank the DA for that choice.
To add to this, high level prosecutors need the backing of the police to do their job well. Cops are the ones on the streets making arrests, collecting evidence, and enforcing the laws. If they don’t like a district attorney, they can look the other way and make it difficult for them to do their job.
In my opinion one of the big reasons so many cops aren’t prosecuted in this country is the prosecutors don’t want to lose their political will with the cops.
In San Francisco, cops refused to do their jobs until the progressive DA who promised to punish bad cops was forced out.
I’m guessing the “back the blue” folks only consider someone a cop if they’re in the police union. Which is also funny because they tend to vastly support candidates that want to strip union rights
They also want to defund the IRS and other federal agencies, which exist to enforce laws. Once of the biggest CSAM busts in history was spearheaded by a single IRS agent and resulted in hundreds of arrests across the globe, including a border patrol agent. It ended with taking down a huge darknet website called “welcome to video.”
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/south-korean-national-and-hundreds-others-charged-worldwide-takedown-largest-darknet-child
Makes sense, and is a perfect addition to my recent comment:
https://lemmy.world/comment/11367515
That’s entirely possible. I honestly don’t know where they draw thier little thin lines.
If only we could convert their mental gymnastics to physical gymnastics we’d have a limitless source of renewable energy
Lol the Mentalympics
She literally called herself the “Top Cop” in multiple speeches.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/12/kamala-was-a-cop-black-people-knew-it-first/
I call myself “Top Lover” but if you talk to my wife you’d get a different story…
I’m so sorry bostonbananarama’s wife…
Why? She’s a Top. Makes sense, really.
I’m more using cop as a shorthand for “consistently on the side of the police and the State in the criminal justice system as a criminal prosecutor and district attorney” instead of “she was literally a uniformed officer”
IMHO, forced seems a bit harsh. The co-elected incumbent VP is historically the backup when something goes down with the President and you’re outside of an election cycle.
The primaries already happened, there is no time to print ballots, stand up polling stations, and get the public to vote before the Ohio roll call to get a candidate on the ballot. This would probably be impossible even if Biden dropped out on that debate stage.
The party / delegates are basically forced to pick someone, and using the precedent of a the VP being the fallback, this is probably the most democratic option. She was elected with Biden in 2020.
Even if Biden dropped out before the primary, Kamala would have had an incredible advantage over all other candidates. She very likely would have been the nominee.
There are things to get upset about. The most likely alternative taking over is not one of them.
One might note it’s not so much historical tradition so much as literally their job.
Voting for an octogenarian with a VP means you don’t really mind the VP becoming president.
This is true.
Oh? Harris wasn’t part of the ticket that won the majority of delegates at the Primary…?
EDIT: Wow, Lemmy.world really wants to elect Donald Trump again. I mean, fair enough I guess (for those who can actually vote in US elections), I just wasn’t expecting all the immediate attacks to be in such bad faith.
$100,000,000 (mostly small donors) and 40,000 new voters in the 24 hours after she announced she was running.
Like anyone, she’s not perfect, but we’re excited and energized about the candidate… finally. We will fight against fascism and actually improve things with Kamala Harris…
There was a primary?
Hilarious. But yes, there was. And Biden’s delegates were freed the moment he announced he wasn’t going to run. In other words people had 2 chances to challenge him if they wanted. It would have been an uphill battle, but it was possible. No one did…
I can’t tell if you’re sealioning or just aggressively ignorant…
edit: Shifting the goalposts in your edit doesn’t make your original statement any less ignorant.
Even ignoring all the structural issues like donors and media that prevent a truly open process the fact that Biden was the incumbent meant there was even more pressure from the DNC to not have a legitimate competitor run.
Saying she won the most delegates so she was everyone first choice is being basically blind to how the primary process actually operates.
If wealthy donors weren’t as important to the process, if she wasn’t the incumbent VP after a very unusual occupancy of the incumbent president stepping down this late, and you had something like ranked choice you would get a very different answer. This should be obvious to anyone because in the last “fair” primary in 2020 she and Biden were among the least popular candidates before the other centrists dropped out all together.
Not to mention the record-setting >100 million in grassroots small dollar donations in the first day and a half after Biden dropped out. I’d call that a lot of support.