• some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    155
    ·
    3 months ago

    Modern researchers have demonstrated how to saw through stone with the tools that were available to Ancient Egyptians, but I’m pretty sure they used alien tech because that sounds like fun.

    Social media lets stupid people spread their dumbass ideas and makes the whole of society stupider.

    • sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      74
      ·
      3 months ago

      Its basically a copper tube or a lumberjack style copper ‘saw’ (which does not actually have teeth) + a guy consistently adding sand.

      The tube drills were used with a contraption resembling an archery bow somewhat, with the string looped around the tube, such that you could draw the bow back and forth to ‘drill’.

      There are multiple, detailed, hieroglyph inscribed picture/diagrams showing how this was done, made by people commemorating the construction itself.

      Archaeologists have even reconstructed and tested these methods in our time, and big surprise, they work.

      • meco03211@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        22
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        3 months ago

        Don’t forget near unlimited manual labor. Don’t need power when you can just toss more slaves at the problem.

        • sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          34
          ·
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          First part is true, lots and LOTs of people.

          The second part does not seem to be true though.

          IIRC, the current mainstream idea is that when huge amounts of bulk labor were needed, this was not actually slave labor.

          Basically, the common farmers would take a seasonal break from working the land and basically all be sort of conscripted into this bulk manual labor, for which they were housed and fed and I think even paid a bit, with the funding for all this coming out of the taxes they paid from their agricultural produce.

          Also, a good deal of the more specialized engineering and stone masonry work was done by craftsmen, who were paid a wage.

          Note that when I say things like wage and tax, often this was done not in monetary terms, but with payment in widely tradeable, widely valuable goods like grain or cattle or pottery.

          Coined money did not become prevalent until fairly far into the total history of ancient Egypt.

          There were servants and slaves of various kinds, but the maximum proportion of the population that were slaves was probably around 10%, and that is in the Middle Kingdom, not the Old Kingdom when most of the great architectural marvels were built.

          The majority of labor provided to ancient Egyptian grand works were done by peasants who were compensated, and likely would have viewed being able to partake in such projects as a kind of great and holy honor.

          • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            9
            ·
            3 months ago

            I think the difference between employee and slave is much less than we might think in today’s terms.

            The workers were there by choice, and they were treated well enough to want to be there, but I don’t think most of them were paid a wage.

            • Chocrates@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              7
              ·
              3 months ago

              Per the “fall of civilizations” podcast they were indeed compensated and treated well.

              I have not read their sources so I can’t confirm, but I have no reason to disbelieve them.

              • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                3 months ago

                I too am a fan of fall of civilisations!

                What does “compensated well” mean in this context though? There was no currency with which to pay. I thought compensation was mostly food, beer, and lodging.

                • Cowbob12@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  3 months ago

                  In an age of no currency existing, what other pay would have been good compensation in your mind?

          • BradleyUffner@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            ·
            3 months ago

            Ehh, “Slaves did it” is still still more accurate than “aliens did it” if you judge it on a sliding scale.

          • Juice@midwest.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            Do you have a source for this? I have long speculated that the pyramids were a massive make-work program, I just never bought the idea that there were just tons of slaves doing that work. Obviously Ancient Egypt was a slave society, but where did all of the slaves come from? If Egyptians like enslaved an army or like another city that was so massive that they needed to find extra work for them, building megalithic structures, etc., how do they make sure the slaves don’t revolt? They would need many more slave masters, more slave catchers, etc., and where do those people come from? The political economy of Pyramids being built by slaves doesn’t add up. They must have been excess labor. I’m no expert but the back of the napkin math always seemed really fishy to me.

            Edit: oh I see the "fall of civilizations recommendation further down, I’ll check it out

    • MindTraveller@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      3 months ago

      Aliens built the pyramids because they were impressed by the Egyptians’ engineering skill and technology. They didn’t build any pyramids in Europe because white people sucked at engineering

    • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      3 months ago

      Even the whole “how did they move all those stones to the pyramid sites, and how did the tip of this Pramod end up all the way over here?!”

      Egypt is full of ancient River systems that have long dried up and been covered by sands. They used those to move all the material, but since they’re gonna and dried up now, we just scratch our heads and wonder how they got there.

    • Chocrates@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      3 months ago

      Right? It took hard work and back breaking labor.
      I think they used copper “saws” and then put sand under the saw so the sand would cut the stone as you pushed the saw over it.

      • uebquauntbez@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 months ago

        Yep, and less people on earth at the time. And as the quote ‘The only universal constant is human intelligence’ tells, it shows, less people, more intelligence per single entity. And tbh most of us would die in the desert left alone. No Wifi, no Gaz, no PayTV or other stuff we need to survive. /S

    • Artyom@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      3 months ago

      Fake news, we all know water was invented near 1500 BC. What seems more reasonable; That they somehow discovered water 1500 years early, or the aliens just used their commercial masonry bits?

  • JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    42
    ·
    3 months ago

    ‘Because I don’t know how it’s done, means it obviously can’t be done.’ - said many a proud tradesman and ancient astronaut theorist throughout the ages of mankind.

  • harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    18
    ·
    3 months ago

    I can’t believe that people truly believe this especially when it’s obvious that the pyramids were built by the antediluvian giants as beacons to call Satan and his angels to continue to conquer the world. The Sphinx’ head was originally sculpted as a representation of Baphomet. The farmers arrived in the off season to be personal slaves to the giants who brainwashed them into thinking it was a project for their god Pharaoh.

    /S