• AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    If you want people to do something different, don’t tell them what they’re doing is wrong! I’ve read Chomsky! You have to work entirely within the political framework that you’re trying to tell people to move past!

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      3 months ago

      Exactly. You joke, but you can’t bring someone to your side by immediately making an enemy of them.

      edit: Not to mention in Western media, socialism is taboo, communism is literally the devil (Trump recently said at one of his rallies he would deport all the communists, lol) and anarchism is synonymous with chaos.

      In order to win these people over, I’m not gonna go up to each one and say “oh hey, by the way, you are a citizen of the worlds largest terrorist organization. the flag you salute is synonymous with an authoritarian empire that even today works to prevent any non-capitalistic democratic movement from occurring. It is a feudal state that extracts tribute from the rest of the world in the form of mass imports and few exports, incurring meaningless debt because at the end of the day it can print more money, lend it to the banks, and not worry about repercussions, because the rest of the world’s currency is backed by theirs instead of gold, and if any country step out of line, they can employ violence from any one of the 700+ military bases they control worldwide. Your country controls what money is, inherently, and monopolizes violence, and therefore holds the rest of the world in a headlock, and you are part of the problem” Even though all of that is true.

      No, I’m probably gonna say “isn’t it kinda wild Obama bailed out the banks in 2008? Like, bankers actually offer nothing of value to society,” or “its so terrible that the US has been supporting Israel for so long, as they have continually decimated and oppressed the Palestinian people,” and have an interesting (albeit, often terribly sad) discussion from there.

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        3 months ago

        Me not making concessions from my position for the sake of being underhanded with my political goals is not what makes me political enemies. It’s supporting a genocide that makes me political enemies.

        You know what I have to say about civility? Fuck you.

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          3 months ago

          Alright dude, in that case don’t vote, give Trump a better chance, but don’t come whining to me when he comes out in support of a single-state solution, and that state is not Palestine. Dunno what else to tell you.

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            3 months ago

            Ohhh nooooo

            don’t vote for the bad man who says what both sides are going to do

            vote for the nice man who says the other thing

            or freedom will die

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          3 months ago

          I mean, just take a look at Lemmy.world or reddit. Your guys’ aggressive attitude doesn’t work. It turns people off and gets defederation campaigns started. If people care about civility, use civility to help convince them.