Dear comrades,

As we all know there are two soviet eras pre and post death of Stalin. We all know Khrushchev basically did a coupe detat, by killing all Stalinists and also by starting the anti Stalin propaganda. We know he was the cause of the Soviet Sino split.

But what exactly caused the split? What policies did he push that were reformist or capitalist in nature ? How exactly did he fuck up? I know the results, but I lack in knowledge of the causes.

  • LeniX@lemmygrad.ml
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    3 months ago

    Sure. That doesn’t mean he’s suddenly absolved of all responsibility. Criticism towards him is valid and necessary, just like criticism towards any leader - Stalin, Mao, Hoxha, whoever

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        3 months ago

        how did Khrushchev f*ck up?

        The title of the post. When I say they had a point when it came to him, I am referring to his massive mistakes on all fronts. History proved the Chinese right. Yes, maybe they should have been more pragmatic, maybe they did overreact, that is not the point. The point is - he did fuck up, big time, and Mao correctly pointed out his mistakes.

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          3 months ago

          “The title of the post.”

          So? I didn’t say Khruschev didn’t do anything wrong.

          Also, this was Late Mao so I don’t care.

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            3 months ago

            Also, this was Late Mao so I don’t care.

            Even though every single point he said was correct, late or not late. Really bad take, comrade.

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              3 months ago

              It’s not a bad take. Why would it be?

              You declaring something is or isn’t correct doesn’t make it so.

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                “For a very long historical period after the proletariat takes power, class struggle continues as an objective law independent of man’s will, differing only in form from what it was before the taking of power.

                After the October Revolution, Lenin pointed out a number of times that:

                a) The overthrown exploiters always try in a thousand and one ways to recover the “paradise” they have been deprived of.

                b) New elements of capitalism are constantly and spontaneously generated in the petty-bourgeois atmosphere.

                c) Political degenerates and new bourgeois elements may emerge in the ranks of the working class and among government functionaries as a result of bourgeois influence and the pervasive, corrupting influence of the petty bourgeoisie.

                d) The external conditions for the continuance of class struggle within a socialist society are encirclement by international capitalism, the imperialists’ threat of armed intervention and their subversive activities to accomplish peaceful disintegration.

                Life has confirmed these conclusions of Lenin’s.

                In socialist society, the overthrown bourgeoisie and other reactionary classes remain strong for quite a long time, and indeed in certain respects are quite powerful. They have a thousand and one links with the international bourgeoisie. They are not reconciled to their defeat and stubbornly continue to engage in trials of strength with the proletariat. They conduct open and hidden struggles against the proletariat in every field.”

                This is a piece I took from ProleWiki. Mao’s criticisms derived from Lenin, he didn’t add anything out of this world. If you say my correctness depends on me declaring something to be correct, please point to a specific thing from the text above and explain your disagreement, other than “this was Late Mao, so I don’t care”

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                  3 months ago

                  Everyone derives their Marxism-Leninism from, well, Lenin, including Khruschev too.

                  You’re not really telling me why the cited is correct.

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                    3 months ago

                    Because history proved the theory - when the USSR was overthrown precisely because of the things I cited.

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                  This is a piece I took from ProleWiki.

                  Do you mind linking the piece? I haven’t found it on a quick search but would like to read more.